JB Bore Paste

[fdshuster]

I got 2410 rounds out of a 6ppc, and 2000 from 6BR due to firecracking and erosion in the throat. From 2" to 2 1/2" in front of the chamber to the muzzle, including the crown, no further damage as seen with the borescope. In fact the 6ppc barrel was setback & re-chambered, the crown was not touched, and it's once again shooting the same group sizes as when new.

 

[bozo699]

Frank,
Typically wouldn't you get more than 2000 rounds from a 6br? or is that pretty standard.
Wayne.

 

[snert]

Ok, for those of us who have older, "Joe Lunchbox" apparently whipped barrels (or factory barrels), JB can turn around a barrel from "gone" to "still shoots well enough to whack PD's or chucks, saving $700 for a new, perfect match barrel. Do we all want Tony Boyer's ability to buy barrels, and his ability to shoot? Heck ya! But for alot of guys, the one we got is as good as it gets. So, here is my experience. Old Douglass 220 Swift that would on accasion hold a group, if I squinted right and held my tongue a certain way. Barrel toast? No doubt. Until I scrubbed the beans out of it with JB and Kroil on a jag and tight patch. Hosed it out with Butches and after 10 rounds of seasoning, that "toast barrel" now hold 1/4 inch thru 25 rounds, when I needed to clean with a soaking of Butches. Every winter it gets JB, and next spring I go back at it. I have extended the use of that barrel four years, about 500 rounds. And though it is dying now, I got four years of fun, for an investment of about 6 dollars. Would I use it on my new HArt BBL 22-250? No, because it is as smooth as the proverbial baby butt, and a soak takes care of it. But for that "lost barrel", it worked for me.

 

[bozo699]

Fella's I have seen these futile cleaning discussions before, there a dead end go no where conversation everytime. Butches Bore shine or Sweets 762, Nylon or copper, jag or swab,Ammonia base or not, exit the muzzle or not, after you exit the muzzle can you pull it back through,scrub back and forth or push straight through, jb or jewelers rough, clean after 25 rounds or 225 rounds,or 2225 rounds or should it be cleaned at all? I ask once....never again!!!
You ask 100 shooters and you will get 100 different answers, after answer #7 it starts to get heated and after answer #11 somebody is a dumb sob and doesn't know what he's talking about. It never differs,its always the same, I am right and your wrong and visa versa. I CALL HOG WASH... Barrels are like a women, they need love and care and like a women each is a little different, some women need little love and little care to satisfy them, and some barrels are the same, and some women are hard to satisfy, there picky and need a lot of attention, some barrels are the same. Whatever it takes gentlemen WHATEVER IT TAKES!!! Get a feel for what your barrel wants and needs and use it, some will need only 3 or 4 patches of BBS and some will need 40 patches of Barns X some JB and 40 more patches BBs.
+one for Butches Bore Shine one the easy ones for me!! and whatever it takes on the rest of them.
Signed...expert barrel cleaner #45
Respectfully......Wayne.

 

[40X Guy]

Fella's I have seen these futile cleaning discussions before, there a dead end go no where conversation everytime. Butches Bore shine or Sweets 762, Nylon or copper, jag or swab,Ammonia base or not, exit the muzzle or not, after you exit the muzzle can you pull it back through,scrub back and forth or push straight through, jb or jewelers rough, clean after 25 rounds or 225 rounds,or 2225 rounds or should it be cleaned at all? I ask once....never again!!!
You ask 100 shooters and you will get 100 different answers, after answer #7 it starts to get heated and after answer #11 somebody is a dumb sob and doesn't know what he's talking about. It never differs,its always the same, I am right and your wrong and visa versa. I CALL HOG WASH... Barrels are like a women, they need love and care and like a women each is a little different, some women need little love and little care to satisfy them, and some barrels are the same, and some women are hard to satisfy, there picky and need a lot of attention, some barrels are the same. Whatever it takes gentlemen WHATEVER IT TAKES!!! Get a feel for what your barrel wants and needs and use it, some will need only 3 or 4 patches of BBS and some will need 40 patches of Barns X some JB and 40 more patches BBs.
+one for Butches Bore Shine one the easy ones for me!! and whatever it takes on the rest of them.
Signed...expert barrel cleaner #45
Respectfully......Wayne.

Well said Wayne! There are probably dozens of similar threads in the archives here that have dozens of methods! And adding to your analogy, barrels are like women, in that some are high maintenance, and others are good out of the box and can really make you happy! ;D

Frank

 

[K0na_stinky]

Very well put Wayne.

I remember not to long ago I was on here asking about cleaning. Now I know that there is no solid answer.

This thread has been a good read. And now I have a pretty good understanding of cleaning with JB Bore Cleaning Compound.

I'm going to buy some. But just to have it on the shelf. Not to use, unless I find that I need it. So far a brush and BBS and some time have served me fine with my Savage barrels.

Thanks everyone.

 

[treeman]

i use j-b bore cleaner to smooth the leade of new barrels and for carbon in the throat area. the only time I use it on the entire length of the barrell is when I see copper at the muzzle after cleaning with copper remover. for top end match barrels I only use it when new to smooth the throat. after that I use j-b bore bright which is a finer compound.

Treeman

p.s. I've heard people say jb dosn't remove metal from barrels. that is b.s. what do you think all that black stuff is. if you clean with a good carbon cleaner( I use mercury out board engine cleaner) and then use jb it still comes out black i.e. barrel metal

 

[Brute]

I've turned a lot of " shot out" barrels into excellent varminters with a vigorous cleaning with JBs. Lots of guys think they've "burnt" up their barrels when in fact the 200 rds they've shot without a proper cleaning is the problem. :

 

[wildchild]

just rub some JB between your fingers, there isn't much there to worry about when it comes to abrasiveness. if that stuff is going to damage your stainless STEEL barrel, i'd stay away from any and all bullets. just my 2 cents DOGDUDE

EXCACTLY this isnt 60 grit lapping compound!! ;D

 

[LHSmith]

p.s. I've heard people say jb dosn't remove metal from barrels. that is b.s. what do you think all that black stuff is. if you clean with a good carbon cleaner( I use mercury out board engine cleaner) and then use jb it still comes out black i.e. barrel metal

Well, even though some of it may be from carbon, I think that black stuff is chromium oxide, stn.stl. forms a passivation layer of this compound....essentially a "rust".
Take a bare cleaning patch and rub it vigorously on stn.stl and it will turn gray/black. I tried a patch with JB on regular steel and it did turn gray ( from oxidation also?), but not as quick as the stainless.

 

[LHSmith]

Fella's I have seen these futile cleaning discussions before, there a dead end go no where conversation everytime. Butches Bore shine or Sweets 762, Nylon or copper, jag or swab,Ammonia base or not, exit the muzzle or not, after you exit the muzzle can you pull it back through,scrub back and forth or push straight through, jb or jewelers rough, clean after 25 rounds or 225 rounds,or 2225 rounds or should it be cleaned at all? I ask once....never again!!!
You ask 100 shooters and you will get 100 different answers, after answer #7 it starts to get heated and after answer #11 somebody is a dumb sob and doesn't know what he's talking about. It never differs,its always the same, I am right and your wrong and visa versa. I CALL HOG WASH... Barrels are like a women, they need love and care and like a women each is a little different, some women need little love and little care to satisfy them, and some barrels are the same, and some women are hard to satisfy, there picky and need a lot of attention, some barrels are the same. Whatever it takes gentlemen WHATEVER IT TAKES!!! Get a feel for what your barrel wants and needs and use it, some will need only 3 or 4 patches of BBS and some will need 40 patches of Barns X some JB and 40 more patches BBs.
+one for Butches Bore Shine one the easy ones for me!! and whatever it takes on the rest of them.
Signed...expert barrel cleaner #45
Respectfully......Wayne.

Gotta disagree on the above synopsis of this thread. I didn't note any heated posts to this thread. It was one of the more civil posts in these days of cabin fever. The OP received lots of anecdotal advice of what works for that individual poster. This has been a forever changing topic. Last year the foaming cleaners/ patch only were the end-all answer to all fouling (copper/carbon) problems. Now there seems to be a renewed interest in the more "aggressive" solutions to treating fouling.

 

[markr]

There is nothing in JB bore paste that will harm your barrel if it is used properly and removed from the bore before shooting.
It is a fine product!

 

[Jim See]

Thats the problem, define properly.
If used improperly it will harm your barrel. A newbie reads info on how great it works and thinks."if a little is good alot is better"

 

[bozo699]

Fella's I have seen these futile cleaning discussions before, there a dead end go no where conversation everytime. Butches Bore shine or Sweets 762, Nylon or copper, jag or swab,Ammonia base or not, exit the muzzle or not, after you exit the muzzle can you pull it back through,scrub back and forth or push straight through, jb or jewelers rough, clean after 25 rounds or 225 rounds,or 2225 rounds or should it be cleaned at all? I ask once....never again!!!
You ask 100 shooters and you will get 100 different answers, after answer #7 it starts to get heated and after answer #11 somebody is a dumb sob and doesn't know what he's talking about. It never differs,its always the same, I am right and your wrong and visa versa. I CALL HOG WASH... Barrels are like a women, they need love and care and like a women each is a little different, some women need little love and little care to satisfy them, and some barrels are the same, and some women are hard to satisfy, there picky and need a lot of attention, some barrels are the same. Whatever it takes gentlemen WHATEVER IT TAKES!!! Get a feel for what your barrel wants and needs and use it, some will need only 3 or 4 patches of BBS and some will need 40 patches of Barns X some JB and 40 more patches BBs.
+one for Butches Bore Shine one the easy ones for me!! and whatever it takes on the rest of them.
Signed...expert barrel cleaner #45
Respectfully......Wayne.

Gotta disagree on the above synopsis of this thread. I didn't note any heated posts to this thread. It was one of the more civil posts in these days of cabin fever. The OP received lots of anecdotal advice of what works for that individual poster. This has been a forever changing topic. Last year the foaming cleaners/ patch only were the end-all answer to all fouling (copper/carbon) problems. Now there seems to be a renewed interest in the more "aggressive" solutions to treating fouling.

LHSMITH,
You have a right to dissagree with me and I respect your views as always, I have actually learned quite a bit from you over the last year or so. There actually been a couple of sarcastic remarks but thats neither here nor there, go back to the start of the thread it started out ok and slow but after just a few posts one guy says its the neatest thing since peanut butter the next guy says go ahead and keep using it and keep the barrel manufacturers in business,even our forum boss warns aginst using JB paste. I personally don't use J B paste very often, I use it when needed. It just seems to be a Ford vs. Chevy
thing. I think fdshuster has the right idea, buy a Hawkeye bore scope and test these different cleanig methods for ourselves! I know thats what I am going to do,(borescope)
Good luck to the rest of you with your barrel cleaning duties.
Respectfully Wayne.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Clean your barrel the way you see fit.

 

[markr]

Mr. See...
I would venture to say that a good percentage of people cause damage to their firearm barrels by simply cleaning in an improper manner with improper tools and dangerous/improper chemicals.
JB bore cleaner has a place in barrel maintenance for many target and other frequent shooters, it will help in restoring neglected bores to some semblance of acceptable in many cases. It is a useful product...It is also the responsibility of anyone wishing to use it, to inquire as to the proper usage of this or any other product.
IMHO if one uses a good bore guide, a properly fitted jag and good clean patches...you could [use JB in your barrel] and not harm it.
Mark

Edited for content

 

[Tozguy]

[quote [/quote]

Well said Wayne! There are probably dozens of similar threads in the archives here that have dozens of methods! And adding to your analogy, barrels are like women, in that some are high maintenance, and others are good out of the box and can really make you happy! ;D

Frank
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Barrels are like women...is that why we keep coming back for more?

 

[bozo699]

[quote

Well said Wayne! There are probably dozens of similar threads in the archives here that have dozens of methods! And adding to your analogy, barrels are like women, in that some are high maintenance, and others are good out of the box and can really make you happy! ;D

Frank
[/quote]


Barrels are like women...is that why we keep coming back for more?
[/quote]
Thanks,Tozguy.
There are dozens of articles on cleaning methods here on 6br and hundreds throughout the WWW gun forums. I am not downing the thread I usually always learn something from them I was just trying to point out that for some reason on the subject of cleaning you seldom will get two guy's that use the EXACT same methods of cleaning, its a very controversial subject
Wayne.

 

[queen_stick]

this thread is wacky!!!

edit: although it must be popular... look at how many times it was read...

 

[Jim See]

??? IMHO if one uses a good bore guide, a properly fitted jag and good clean patches...you could push and pull that through your bore until hell freezes over...and not harm it.
Mark ???

Mark, absolutly the most foolish statment I have read in this topic.

Tell me why does JB remove copper fouling so well?
Because it has an abrasive.
Why does it smooth out neglected bores?
Because it has an abrasive.

I never said it couldn't be used, you just won't find me using it in ANY CUSTOM barrel. I use Iosso paste ONLY if the bore scope tells me I need to.
(about every 300-500 rounds only with certain cartriges I use, one patch and may-be 2-3 strokes and done.)

I bore scope hundreds of barrels every year from all manf. on rifles owned by many different people. I would like to think that alows me to draw some conclusions from first hand experience, and not regurgitated internet chatter. Hell use more of the stuff it's good for buisness.

Let me discuss 1 cases of JB overuse ruining a barrel

1. (extream case)Had a guy with a SS rem varmit in 243, needed it looked at shot OK acording to the owner when it was new but copper fouled severly. I asked him the regular questions , how or if he attempted to brake in the barrel, what he cleaned with, how often he cleaned, how many rounds down the bore, factory or handloads, what bullet, how does it shoot now,ect. I knew the answer on what he used to clean it before he said JB. That bore was brought in clean and shinned like a crome bumper. NO reamer marks, NO striations in the steel , just flat glossy polished SS.
Pin gauges revealed that he had opened up the minor dia. of the bore aproximatly .002" from what a 6mm barrel should be. A .238 pin gauge slid all the way thru the barrel and a .239 went half way thru, he did manage to lap in a nice taper.

He later admitted that he had become frustrated with the brake in process of using JB and the continuing fouling that he just kept at it shooting and cleaning and smoothing out the bore to a glass surface, And that after a range outing he would again use JB to scrub the barrel clean. He said it was always dirty because the patch came out black. Well Mark rub some JB on a patch and rub the OUTSIDE of a clean SS barrel and the patch will turn black.

I showed the guy that and you could see him literally deflate because for well over a year he cleaned all his guns with JB cause some net jocky talked crap like this.

IMHO if one uses a good bore guide, a properly fitted jag and good clean patches...you could push and pull that through your bore until hell freezes over...and not harm it.
Mark

I had a friend with a major manf. cut rifled barrel that was shot about 100 rounds. cleaned with bore teck eliminator. cleaned easy with little copper fouling. Problem was the barrel did not shoot as well as he wanted. So I asked him to do a little experiment. He obliged.

He charged 10 patches with JB bore Paste and stroked the barrel back and forth 10 times with each pass. 200 total passes with a tight jag. He then used buthches and brake cleaner to clean the rifle. He stated that he scoped the barrel after the scrubbing and it looked "really good" He shot 3 bullets and scoped. The results was a bore that he said "looked like a newly minted penny."

Lets see you do that experiment on your best custom barrel if JB is so safe.

I have rifles with 1000 rounds in them that never seen an abrasive and will give me over 150 rounds with out a loss of accuracy. I clean them because they may go idle for a time period or I feel guilty.