Jan 2023 NRA Highpower RuleBook

[karrarararararar]

This sounds like the F-class version of "monard-gate"

 

[Albany Mountain]

Sling guys don’t count. Y’all love ALL those convoluted rules .

Think if it like this… you have a coat with leather elbow pads. Another company starts making foam ones. Both are accepted and you get the foam ones because they’re more comfortable to you. A rule comes down without any reasoning that your foam pads are not legal. That’s pretty much where we’re at.

Kinda like the CMP Monard Coat rules, other than the coat rule was probably due to loss of market share by a company in the coat business.

 

[XTR]

…We could do worse than to simply ape their rules.

Which set?

 

[XTR]

I’m sure someone will protest someone else at some point because they’re butthurt they got beat.

Or maybe the rule needs to be formally clarified. One legit protest to which the governing body has to respond solves the issue and eliminates the drama (after a reasonable period of bitching and complaining one way or the other)

 

[dcali]

Which set?

I'm referring to the equipment rules, to be clear, and any set. Surely it's possible for all the BR guys and F Class guys to agree on a single set of rules for a front rest?

 

[dcali]

Two different games. A Fclass gun will not win a benchrest match. A 600 range benchrest gun will do very well midrange Fclass. They are going different directions. 6mm rules in benchrest. Fclass is going more BC and speed all the time. 10 minute string against 30 second string. I like things the way they are. The one thing might make some happy is benchrest will never compete on Etargets. Probably that one fact shows the difference in those games.

I get that. I'm talking about equipment. The equipment could easily follow the same rules and work for both disciplines. Targets and course of fire are obviously different. If we are dead set on chaning F class rules about rests, why not make them match BR rules?

 

[dcali]

Frankly, in this day and age of electronic communications, it also wouldn't hurt to obtain a little more input/feedback on potential rule changes prior to their inception from a wider range of participants than just those on the rules committee.

Even the federal government can pull this off. A website with a list of proposed changes and a public comment period before implementing them is not hard.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I'm referring to the equipment rules, to be clear, and any set. Surely it's possible for all the BR guys and F Class guys to agree on a single set of rules for a front rest?

Unless it's changed, all 3 major BR orgs had slightly different rules pertaining to the sandbag in the rests. Just way more to it IMO, than it could and probably should be. Again, why not just say, "No one piece rests" and be done with it, for all of the disciplines, outside of an unlimited class. I also mentioned earlier that I could tell little or no difference in how I shoot off of Rods felt top vs the IBS legal sand bag top...and that my own personal least favorite, is his roller top. Bottom line, I can't see any significant advantage of one vs the other and a simple "no one piece rests" rule would sure seem to fix most or all of this. Just my thoughts. It'd be nice if there were more uniformity to things just like this, across most or all disciplines...long range, short, F, or whatever. Even rimfire. They use a lot of one piece rests but mostly in the ARA Unlimited class. Not sure about all the other rf disciplines peculiarities.

Things like this prevent some people from ever crossing over to try new games. Imo, it should be easy but the orgs tend to make it just the opposite, very often.

 

[Carden260]

Two different games. A Fclass gun will not win a benchrest match. A 600 range benchrest gun will do very well midrange Fclass. They are going different directions. 6mm rules in benchrest. Fclass is going more BC and speed all the time. 10 minute string against 30 second string. I like things the way they are. The one thing might make some happy is benchrest will never compete on Etargets. Probably that one fact shows the difference in those games.

I will beg to differ. I know a couple Fclass guns that will hang or beat a bench rest gun, I think I was the only Fclass gun to finish in top 7 in Rendevous 2 years in a row. I think I finished 2nd to Sally Baur at her Home range. tread lightly when you dont know..... and it was a 7mm to boot. I think a 284 won the colorado State championship in midrange HVY gun a couple years ago, and the only reason it didnt win last year was because shooter didnt compete.....

 

[USMCDOC]

Unless it's changed, all 3 major BR orgs had slightly different rules pertaining to the sandbag in the rests. Just way more to it IMO, than it could and probably should be. Again, why not just say, "No one piece rests" and be done with it, for all of the disciplines, outside of an unlimited class. I also mentioned earlier that I could tell little or no difference in how I shoot off of Rods felt top vs the IBS legal sand bag top...and that my own personal least favorite, is his roller top. Bottom line, I can't see any significant advantage of one vs the other and a simple "no one piece rests" rule would sure seem to fix most or all of this. Just my thoughts. It'd be nice if there were more uniformity to things just like this, across most or all disciplines...long range, short, F, or whatever. Even rimfire. They use a lot of one piece rests but mostly in the ARA Unlimited class. Not sure about all the other rf disciplines peculiarities.

Things like this prevent some people from ever crossing over to try new games. Imo, it should be easy but the orgs tend to make it just the opposite, very often.

the RFBR bodies are not sanctioned by the NRA.. so let's just leave them out of it ok.. for simplicity sake

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

the RFBR bodies are not sanctioned by the NRA.. so let's just leave them out of it ok.. for simplicity sake

No, and neither are the others. The post was about the idea of rest rules being more similar between orgs and specifically left out Unlimited classes. Most of the rf game is already like I'm talking about. Run whut ya brung in ARA UL and PSL. RF got it right, imo.

 

[USMCDOC]

No, and neither are the others. The post was about the idea of rest rules being more similar between orgs and specifically left out Unlimited classes. Most of the rf game is already like I'm talking about. Run whut ya brung in ARA UL and PSL.

ok.. i get that angle and can agree there...

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

ok.. i get that angle and can agree there...

Much simpler, at the least, without all the bickering about perceived advantages/disadvantage of one style or another. I say perceived because I haven't been able to tell much difference in actual scores with the different rest tops. Which makes this a lot of hullaballoo about nothing, yet makes it more expensive and more difficult to have crossover of competitors from different orgs/disciplines.

 

[USMCDOC]

it's just like the line in most these bodies, they have the line, "rifle must be able to be lifted straight up out of the rest.. but, it is well known.. most rest have the ability to "adjust" the ears for the front back so that you can take the "slack" of the front to keep the stock from siding from side to side.. but many with this design built into it, that once you have minimized that lateral movement, you can no longer "lift the rifle straight up out of the rest".. i have never seen that checked.. only thing i have ever seen checked is weight of the rifle for Sporter and 10.5 lb class matches.

what i am getting at is, that some are "locking" down their rifle this way

 

[USMCDOC]

Much simpler, at the least, without all the bickering about perceived advantages/disadvantage of one style or another. I say perceived because I haven't been able to tell much difference in actual scores with the different rest tops. Which makes this a lot of hullaballoo about nothing, yet makes it more expensive and more difficult to have crossover of competitors from different orgs/disciplines.

yes, in that light.. i understand what you are getting at.. so for my top, i guess i will need the IBS top, for the Rodzilla

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

it's just like the line in most these bodies, they have the line, "rifle must be able to be lifted straight up out of the rest.. but, if well know.. most rest have the ability to "adjust" the ears for the front back so that you can take the "slack" of the front to keep the stock from siding from side to side.. but many with this design built into it, that once you have minimized that lateral movement, you can no longer "lift the rifle straight up out of the rest".. i have never seen that checked.. only thing i have ever seen checked is weight of the rifle for Sporter and 10.5 lb class matches.

what i am getting at is, that some are "locking" down their rifle this way

IME, too tight actually causes more problems that it'll ever fix, too.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

yes, in that light.. i understand what you are getting at.. so for my top, i guess i will need the IBS top, for the Rodzilla

I guess it depends on what you plan to shoot.

I care about all of this because I think simpler is better for the sport(s) overall and that I've been kicking around the idea of shooting some f-class matches. Fortunately, I went ahead and bought all of Rods rest top styles so that I could be legal in any discipline, and it allowed me to test all of them.

 

[USMCDOC]

IME, too tight actually causes more problems that it'll ever fix, too.

of course now, i am referring to RFBR.. seeing these folks do this and nothing said, in my opinion just ruins the game

 

[USMCDOC]

I guess it depends on what you plan to shoot.

i shoot Rimfire F-Class

 

[Acyr]

I think the closer Benchrest and F Class are to each other the better it will be for each. I'm not saying to blend the two but maybe treat each other as a variation of the other. There are things that both could learn from each other. I know of F Class shooters who have shot benchrest and benchrest shooters that shoot F Class. Let's face it shooters aren't exactly beating a path to either discipline.