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ITAR Registration -- Plan on Paying your Gunsmith more...

And to think that there were so many guys on here years ago saying they aren't coming after my shotgun and hunting rifles. Surprise Surprise If Billary gets in they will just keep picking on everything related to guns until all you are left with is a club! And anyone that disagree with that has there head in there Butt's. My, use to be life time licence to carry is no longer, every 5 years I have to go though another background check and pay again. Its pick, pick, pick And when you go to vote it better be for TRUMP. Oh and guess who will be running in 2020? CUOMO!

Joe Salt
 
There are many FFL holders who sell a few guns a year and build a limited number of rifles on a part time basis who will not be able to justify staying in business under this interpretation of the ITAR regulations. I know that a very good friend and competent rifle builder gave up his licensee and shut up his operation during the comment period on the revised regulations prior to the 7-22-16 edict because it was not financially feasible to pay the annual fee to build 6-8 rifles and 10-15 barrels a year. There is no question in my mind that reducing the number of small shops building guns was the main intent of the current changes.

One of the thousand cuts the anti-s use. Put out of business the small volume FFL that builds a few dozen ARs a year or smith that does a few chamber or brake jobs. It's the same thing the governments did with smoking. First it was government buildings, then workplaces, then restaurants and bars. I've been observing the anti-s gun modus operandi since the Kennedy assassination, i.e. make it difficult enough to buy, work on or otherwise deal in the trade and people will give it up. Since Emperor Obama got in and couldn't get any new laws passed, it's been the back door, agenda driven twisting of existing regulations route they've taken. it won't stop unless there is a change of administration that favors the 2nd Amendment.
 
You guys are cherry picking this to make it sound as you want it to sound. It is in the print that if you don't service the Defense articles and defense services, it does not apply to those that serve the general public.

Just because that paragraph does not say in the manufacturing of defense articles or weapons to the DOD, or some other countries DOD, that was stated before, does it make it applicable to gunsmiths that serve the public.

This registry is to address business like Barrett or Daniels, both of which do contract work for many entities, including exporting.

I may have missed the clause that states this is for all gunsmiths. If it is will someone please point it out. It's not there.

What you are confusing in the statute is the "Manufacturing Clause" is explaining what it means to those that it applies to. It does not apply to the majority of FFL's and it says so.
You, like a few others, must not be reading the new Registration Requirements published July 22 of this year. You need to check the definition of "Defense Articles", too. You will find that listed under "U.S. Muntions List". The July 22, 2016 Registration Requirements link can be found on page 3 of this thread, at the top of the page , posted by gme.
 
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here's the link to the ITAR US munitions list, scroll down to ss121.1 for descriptions of "defense articles" (catagory 1) as it relates to firearms, you'll note pretty much everything but sporting shotguns are included
http://fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p121.htm

Contacting my congressman but I'm sure this will go the way of the proposed M855 ban, Lead in ammo ban, etc. But Gary is there any indication as to when this is supposed to take effect?
 
Contacting my congressman but I'm sure this will go the way of the proposed M855 ban, Lead in ammo ban, etc. But Gary is there any indication as to when this is supposed to take effect?
Shawn, I hope your right, I read earlier that the DDTC was going to take comment until August 3 and it would not take effect until it reached it's final form but can not find any way to submit comment to them, the PDF issued by them on the 22nd sounds like the final ruling, my guess is if your an 01 FFL they'll be sending you a nice "invitation" letter
 
Once again that list pertains to International trade of weapons used by Defense and military purposes, both for export and import. You are making this a big deal all about nothing.

It's all spelled out in black and white.
TRA, you need to scroll on down the page , on the 'link' the gme provided, to 121.9-Firearms. There it gives the definition of firearms that are considered "Significant Military Equipment". It exempts shotguns with barrels 18" and longer, BB guns and muzzle loading black powder firearms. Everything else, rifles, revolvers, pistols,,,,,, well, just look at 121.9 for yourself. My attorney will look at the new ruling Monday morning, but I'd bet the farm that it means the same things to him as it does to me.
 
Gentlemen:
Most of you don't see the other ramification that will come from this. Gunsmiths in the past have only had to have a Type 1 FFL. This gives the BATF the go ahead to force all gunsmiths who do any machining to get licensed as a Type 7 FFL (Manufacture). This also gives T.T.B (Tax and Tariff Bureau the Treasury agency created when BATF was put under the Department of Justice) the green light to make former gunsmiths now Manufactures to have to pay 11% Federal Excise Tax. My state of North Carolina has made both "Parts and Labor" taxable at 6.75%.

Today to get started in business as a Gunsmith/Manufacture excluding tools, machinery, telephone, computer, advertising, hard bound books/ledgers, gun safe, and building, it cost more than $8,000.00 in fees, license, permits, taxes, insurance, accountant and lawyer fees, electricity, water, sewer, and solid waste just to open your doors.

These cost have to be passed on to your customers don't forget the BATF says you have to be making a profit to keep your license.
Nat Lambeth
 
Gentlemen:
Most of you don't see the other ramification that will come from this. Gunsmiths in the past have only had to have a Type 1 FFL. This gives the BATF the go ahead to force all gunsmiths who do any machining to get licensed as a Type 7 FFL (Manufacture). This also gives T.T.B (Tax and Tariff Bureau the Treasury agency created when BATF was put under the Department of Justice) the green light to make former gunsmiths now Manufactures to have to pay 11% Federal Excise Tax. My state of North Carolina has made both "Parts and Labor" taxable at 6.75%.

Today to get started in business as a Gunsmith/Manufacture excluding tools, machinery, telephone, computer, advertising, hard bound books/ledgers, gun safe, and building, it cost more than $8,000.00 in fees, license, permits, taxes, insurance, accountant and lawyer fees, electricity, water, sewer, and solid waste just to open your doors.

These cost have to be passed on to your customers don't forget the BATF says you have to be making a profit to keep your license.
Nat Lambeth
Nat,, you will need 2 (that is two) safes. One for your "manufactured firearms" and one for firearms logged-in as "repairs" (where the customer is the owner of the serial numbered part), and possibly a 3rd if you have firearms 'for sale' that you didn't "manufacture". You can't mingle those three different conditions. We do have the exemption that states no 11% excise tax when 50 or fewer firearms are manufactured per yr. That is written into law, but don't ask me which law (firearms owners protection act?).
 
To all those that have posted in the past that they want to become a smith , please read what's involved . You will spend more time with paperwork than doing what your passion is .
Be a plumber , more money , less paperwork , less investment .
 
I have read it and no matter how you spin it, it's still about "Military Weapons". For gads sake it's in big letters at the top of the document and all through the document it frequently mentions "Military".......never does it mention sporting firearms.
For Gads's sake, don't you understand that they consider every firearm, other than a shotgun with a barrel longer than 18", a BB or pelletgun or a muzzle loading black powder firearm significant military equipment?
 
If this stands it could also trickle down to affect the businesses that provide the materials these gunsmith "manufacturers" would be buying. Lathes, reamers, tooling, barrel makers, stock makers, triggers, muzzle devices, etc etc. are going to lose big time business. Even going out of business.
This NEW EO seems to over rule the old definition of Defense Articles, making all firearms applicable but a select few sporting guns being exempt.
In my opinion TSA and JRS just want you to drink their Obama/Hillary kool-aid. From what I'm reading this action is stepping over the line of the old Defense Articles. Those have rigid rules already set in place. It is the small gunsmith able to turn out weapons they are afraid of and want to tax and regulate out of business.
Yes, I've written my Congressman and Senators. This is just the tip of the disarming of America. Your tin-foil hat reception may vary.
 
Once again that list pertains to International trade of weapons used by Defense and military purposes, both for export and import. You are making this a big deal all about nothing.

It's all spelled out in black and white.

The point is the game has changed by the issuance of the guidance letter. It is not now limited to export and import, but includes manufacturing without subsequent export or intent to export. The PDF of the letter is contained in the link in the first post of this thread. Below is the applicable excerpt.

"In response to questions from persons engaged in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that ITAR registration is required because the following activities meet the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of “manufacturing” and, therefore, constitute “manufacturing” for ITAR purposes:

a) Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;

b) Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;

c) The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);

d) The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;

e) The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;

f) Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;

g) Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks and:

h) Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel."
 

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