Is The 300BLK Subsonic a 200 yard Deer Killer?

[snert]

I really do not have any experience in this area. As I mentioned in a different thread, i am stuck in the 80's...even VLD bullets are foriegn to me. So I am just going to offer one caution: If you are not sure, don't do it. Worked for me while dating, taking on street races, stealing second, and shooting deer at gawd-awful ranges. With lot's of practice and knowledge of your equipment () it usually works out with a win, as long as you keep your head and don't ask the equipment to over perform

 

[Mark W]

I have a hard time understanding the desire to shoot any animal with a less than optimal round when there are so many perfectly adequate choices available. I don't care if it's a ground squirrel or an elk, the animal deserves the respect of being taken with a suitable weapon that offers the most likely chance of a one shot one kill.

 

[fredo]

I have a hard time understanding the desire to shoot any animal with a less than optimal round when there are so many perfectly adequate choices available. I don't care if it's a ground squirrel or an elk, the animal deserves the respect of being taken with a suitable weapon that offers the most likely chance of a one shot one kill.

I don't think anyone here would dispute your point about clean, respectable kills. Fairly confident that the % of 'slob hunters' on this site is in the low single digits, if present at all...

Rather, it seems like many want to argue over the subjective definition of what is "optimal", "adequate", "suitable", etc. To the point that some might be pushing their own self defined standards onto others. Not accusing you of that, Sir, just wanting to add something thoughtful to the discussion...

Ask yourselves this:
If you've proven for yourself that 'X' bullet from 'Y' cartridge is "adequate" for taking 'Z' critter at 'D' distance, then who is anyone else to say otherwise?

And does that anyone even have a leg to stand on, if they have no personal experience with 'X' & 'Y' for killing 'Z' @ 'D'???

IMHO, that's the topic at hand. And we're all here to learn, ain't we?
For conversation...

 

[dellet]

I don't think anyone here would dispute your point about clean, respectable kills. Fairly confident that the % of 'slob hunters' on this site is in the low single digits, if present at all...

Rather, it seems like many want to argue over the subjective definition of what is "optimal", "adequate", "suitable", etc. To the point that some might be pushing their own self defined standards onto others. Not accusing you of that, Sir, just wanting to add something thoughtful to the discussion...

Ask yourselves this:
If you've proven for yourself that 'X' bullet from 'Y' cartridge is "adequate" for taking 'Z' critter at 'D' distance, then who is anyone else to say otherwise?

And does that anyone even have a leg to stand on, if they have no personal experience with 'X' & 'Y' for killing 'Z' @ 'D'???

IMHO, that's the topic at hand. And we're all here to learn, ain't we?
For conversation...

This is exactly the point this conversation should be following.

To educate both those that do not know or use the cartridge, and more importantly those that do use the cartridge, and have not figured out the limitations.

I hunt deer in the same woods with a rifle that I do a recurve bow. I have never shot a deer with a scoped rifle. I think 75 yards would be my lifetime achievement in long range deer hunting. Spot and stalk is the preferred method.

Why in the world would I need a 475.5 Pink Mist Vaporizor with a barrel that weighs more, and is longer than my current rifle to shoot a sub 200 pound animal?

There's always a balance. Sadly there are too few licensed hunters, and way to many licensed killers. If there were more licensed hunters, there would less cartridge debates due to wounded or lost kills.

 

[hpshooter]

Thank you Fredo and Dellet!
I agree with both of you, can't believe I let myself follow this thread so long.

Guess it is because I have a .300BO bolt gun that will never be used on a living target over 75 yards away.

As Clint said, "a man has to know his limits"

 

[snert]

I think this thread reminds me of myself in 1988. I was a PA deer hunter. 30-06, 3-9 Redfield, 165 grain SBT. I hunted deer all around the suburbs, and took most of my deer from tree stands at 50 yards, and even saw one taken from the driveway of my buddie's house, using my dead deer as a rest. In my mind I had it knocked. I knew the rifle and it was the perfect deer gun for whatever challenge, and nothing was better or more suited to any hunting than that 700.
And then I moved to NY. Now NY is wilder than western PA which is a surprise. Big long valleys, hardwoods and dairy farms. And I was stinking blown away that I had to use a stupid punkin slinger 870 because some boob in Albany thought them "safer". I quickly became aware of "buck brush" which is viburnum, a purple scrub brush that holds deer...unless ten guys with gold plated 1100's march thru it abreast toward ten others and then they have a Mexican shootout with each other while the deer run between them. After having slugs sizzle by, I wisely stopped "hunting" with that bunch of ol' boys. Realizing I did not have it "knocked" I was blessed with a bride who bought her rifle toting hubby a 14 inch TC 357 Herrett. You see, in NY the same idiot that said shotguns were safer also said it was ok to hunt with a handgun (and the only handguns in Albany are apparently Chief Specials). So it was "sporting" and "safe" to hunt with a handgun, and no one would considering the onerous rules. A handgun was fine, only they had to be 35 cal or bigger. Guess they never met JD Jones! So I built a tree house (before it was popular), with a bass boat seat, a roof, an aluminum 28 foot ladder next to a pasture between two plots of buck brush. Long before the civil war reenactors marched thru the deer would sneak out. I killed 19 from that tree over the years, and most were at 105 yards...all standing behind a lonely viburnum in the pasture, where they would stop to look about.
What I am saying is my glorified 35 Remington handgun with 2x Leupold was the ticket for the job at hand. I adapted to the challenge. I never missed, nor lost a deer with it. (oops...I did miss a 10 point at 35 yards, looking over the scope to see it fall and dumped the shot between his feet....what a dumb move!) I learned from that!
Was my TC a 700 with 165 SBT? NO. Was it easy to shoot? NO. Was it ok to shoot at running deer? No. But it piled up the deer out to 175 yards from that tree, and it caused a change in hunting style there on that farm. Now no one hunts in a pack and everyone has a tree fort.

 

[dellet]

So I built a tree house (before it was popular), with a bass boat seat, a roof, an aluminum 28 foot ladder next to a pasture between two plots of buck brush

Something about this story is not right, missing something.

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[rebel]

I'm sure other materials were used dellet.

 

[fredo]

Snert's play by play of CNY "deer drivin" wouldn't be as funny (or scary) if it weren't true! Nothing quite like having an ounce of .72caliber lead come skippin' past ya on a hop...

 

[markT]

I just got my scope mounted on my new Rem 700 SPS in 300 blk. I "0" it at 76 yds. The exact range where deer feed.. Shooting 220 gr Sierra SubSonics.
If I attach a suppressor, how much change should expect in POI?
Thank you..

 

[markT]

i screwed on my Advanced Armament 762-SDN-6 can.. and shot it.. wow. Very silent.. POI was not effected.. and oh yea, just to make a point I shot 3 rds @ $1.16 / rd.
Same hole. Waste of ammo. Can't wait 'till deer kill'in time..

 

[snert]

Something about this story is not right, missing something.

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Uh, I had a LP gas heater, a sleeping bag (warmth ya know) a sandbag, and sometimes a partner. (not in the same sleeping bag!) I would crawl in at 430 AM and leave after dark.
Farmer's son shot a HUGE 14 point from that stand (2nd largest in NY that year) with a rifled barreled 870 I bought for him...must have been year 2000 cause I was not able to hunt that day. When he wrote it up in the NY paper he never even mentioned me...all the work I did or all the mentoring, or even that I bought him the gun. Kids...no appreciation.

I do like the idea dellet, but those would become slushies in NY

 

[dellet]

If we're staying with the nautical theme in that hideout, I think Capt. Morgans Jamaican anti-freeze would do the trick

i screwed on my Advanced Armament 762-SDN-6 can.. and shot it.. wow. Very silent.. POI was not effected.. and oh yea, just to make a point I shot 3 rds @ $1.16 / rd.
Same hole. Waste of ammo. Can't wait 'till deer kill'in time..

Just saw you are shooting a Remington.

Check your twist rate, good chance it's a 1/10 marked 1/7

 

[markT]

Absolutely no "anti freeze" when firearms are un-cased, NO exceptions.. Ever..
Twist rate.. i'll look.. as long as it places them in the same hole or close.. Works for me..

 

[snert]

Absolutely no "anti freeze" when firearms are un-cased, NO exceptions.. Ever..
Twist rate.. i'll look.. as long as it places them in the same hole or close.. Works for me..

I concur...that is for afterward, around the hot fireplace, sippin Jamison or a good red.

 

[dellet]

Agreed on the after hours anti-freeze.

Apparently I can't operate electronics and work on two replies at once even before the uncorking

markt

If you have a 1/10, Remington will replace it. It might take them a couple tries. At some point you will run into stability issues with certain bullets subsonic.

It would be a shame to have to send both the gun and the suppressor in for repair instead of just the gun.

 

[rebel]

I hear you snert. Comfort is everything. My latest box, only iced tea while hunting

 

[snert]

I hear you snert. Comfort is everything. My latest box, only iced tea while hunting

See that, i was 20 years ahead of my time. I was about 20 feet higher...and the tree and wind made it sportin!

 

[rebel]

See that, i was 20 years ahead of my time. I was about 20 feet higher...and the tree and wind made it sportin!

My first was much like that, about broke my back getting the material up in that red oak. Learned better - thus "latest".

 

[Downhill]

Never got the 300 BLK ( or 300 whisper for those of us old enough to remember when it was not popular). Ballistics seem on part with a wrist rocket pushing a 25 caliber ball bearing.