Is FFP the new 6.5 Creed?

[CJ6]

I have used both objective and side parallax, I would never buy another objective
parallax scope.
Possibly from a bench sitting beside the rifle adjusting the objective may be no issue but shooting positioned behind the rifle, side parallax is king.

I am surprised that they still make scopes with adjustable objective.

Just the cheapies.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Agreed.

I'm just glad that something is getting these younger guys shooting. Because without these younger guys getting into shooting it's going to disappear in the next decade. It is going to take a lot to get these latest young guys out shooting, they much prefer to sit in their rooms and play video games.

That's not why firearms are going to disappear in the next 10 years.

 

[rijndael]

That's not why firearms are going to disappear in the next 10 years.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

And side parallax is a huge jump over objective adjustment. Lay down behind your rifle and try to adjust that objective parallax. Then do it with a side parallax. Which is easier and quicker? I'll wait. LOL

No question side parallax is far superior

 

[CJ6]

Well that depends on how you look at it.....Side is more touchy....Front (to me) is easier to dial in focus because of the bell being larger vs the small side dial.

 

[whatsupdoc]

Well that depends on how you look at it.....Side is more touchy....Front (to me) is easier to dial in focus because of the bell being larger vs the small side dial.

That is scope dependent, (side more touchy) some scopes I have are touchy some are forgiving.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Well that depends on how you look at it.....Side is more touchy....Front (to me) is easier to dial in focus because of the bell being larger vs the small side dial.

True. Side knobs can be touchy, but only on some scopes. Unfortunately not all scopes are made equally, parallax features included. Your high end scopes with good glass usually don't have an issue so long as they employ a wide parallax range. A lot of scopes want to be able to focus down to 15 or 25 yards to appease all shooters, including rimfire guys. So you have this knob with a wide range of focus that is nice up to about 300 yards, then gets tighter as you try to focus out parallax at ranges farther than that. Usually these scopes say 300-500 yards and then you hit max at 'infinity'.

My favorite parallax knob comes on the Trijicon Tenmile scopes. They will focus down to 25 yards, but they go all the way up to 1,000 yards before hitting the 'infinity' setting. Amazing glass and super easy to fine tune every bit of parallax out of the reticle at any range.

 

[ronsatspokane]

Just the cheapies.

Cheap compared to some scopes but expensive compared to others. That said, some of the finest glass around:

Amazon.com

 

[Ledd Slinger]

My NF 12-42 of course has an objective focus, but that's not an issue at the bench. Wouldn't want front objective focus on a hunting or varmint rifle

 

[CJ6]

Cheap compared to some scopes but expensive compared to others. That said, some of the finest glass around:

Amazon.com

Yes I agree NF is an exception ( I have many NF BR scopes) I prefer them.

 

[Kramerica]

Creedmoor gets a lot of flack and I get it, the 260 and 6x47 are damn close. But the creed is supported way more with factory options so yeah it won that battle. I like to hold wind and shoot more field type style. I almost never dial so I’ll pick FFP everyday of the week. I’m not a benchrest guy though so there is that. Plus if done right like bushnells LRHS G2H reticle then FFP is usable on high and low mag making it more versatile than SFP. Just my opinion though.

Edit: to ruffle some more feathers mils won to its the present and future. MOA is dying. Just the truth.

 

[kindabitey]

So here's the true unanswered question:
Why would a grown adult (person A) get twisted out of shape over something that random individual
(person B) is using? Especially when person B has no idea, and most likely doesn't care, who person A is.

 

[Rob01]

Answer: the internet. Lol

 

[whatsupdoc]

So here's the true unanswered question:
Why would a grown adult (person A) get twisted out of shape over something that random individual
(person B) is using? Especially when person B has no idea, and most likely doesn't care, who person A is.

Because they are a D!@%

 

[AccelR8]

So here's the true unanswered question:
Why would a grown adult (person A) get twisted out of shape over something that random individual
(person B) is using? Especially when person B has no idea, and most likely doesn't care, who person A is.

Because person A needs approval, validation and admiration and sees person B's differing opinion as the opposite? A.K.A. Insecurity?

(We don't have the "devil" smiley or I would have posted it after my comment)

edit to add, There's nothing wrong with explaining why you think something is superior. Implying that someone else is dumb because they use something different than you is what reveals insecurity.

 

[Pinkes]

Been shooting sfp Kahles and NF Comp the last 5 years. I am trying out a March ffp 5-40 in fclass and like it alot. As we all know that when the mirage starts running you turn down the mag. With Sfp scope the ret is calibrated , lets say on 40x. If you turn the mag to 20x the dot doubles in value. if your dot is 1/8moa it will go to 1/4moa. With FFP it stays fine and it helps with fine aiming and you can use the 1moa lines to bracket the target. Im not here to argue which is better for FClass but I'm def surprise how easy it was for me to use the FFP scope..

 

[GaryL1959]

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Looking at polls and remarks from FB groups. All the FFP/SFP polls and all the remarks from LR/ELR shooters. I just can't figure out all the FFP love, especially from the ELR guys..... It's like 90/10 FFP.

It's like the FFP/6.5 Creed are in the same boat...if you don't use it you are just plain ignorant. EVERYONE knows the the 6.5 Creed/FFP is the best.

The ONLY advantage , in my mind, of the FFP, is being able to hold over at any power setting. I get it...especially in PRS. But ELR and LRBR?? Otherwise, holdover is holdover, weather in mils or moa.

Does anyone use them for ranging duties anymore?

And most of the FFP scopes I have seen in the past, the reticle gets WAY to big for ELR.

How many guys in the big ELR matches like the KO2M matches actually use FFP scopes.

Sorry...all this sitting (limping) around has gotten me stir crazy. Rant over.

Tod

FFP is actually a useful, advantageous feature, whereas the 6.5 crud, not so much......

 

[drop_point]

I don’t care what anybody uses. If you like it, rock on. But when you use misinformation and ignorance to justify it, I will correct it. People seem to fear what they don’t understand and it’s self-evident people don’t understand the two.

First off, the notion that FFP is too large when you crank up the magnification. BS. It stays the same size through magnification range. If it doesn’t cover too much target on 12x, it doesn’t cover anymore target on 25x. The reticle size stays the same relative to the target. Maybe having the ability to use your reticle for wind or holdovers is important for you. Maybe you only shoot fixed ranges and hold rings. Your choice isn’t wrong as long as you can perform.

With FFP scopes, just like SFP, there are different size reticles available. Choose wisely.

No, FFP wasn’t invented by the military. The first variable power hunting scopes were FFP. I’ve seen a ton of European hunting scopes with FFP post reticles or even the “duplex” style. Our military didn’t start using FFP until midway through GWOT.

With SFP, the reticle covers more target on low power and less target on higher power. There is a magnification which FFP covers less and there is a flip point, but FFP is constant.

 

[drop_point]

Thin reticle is one thing, but from from 21x to 30x, it's plain to see in the pics you've lost half of your hold over capability because the hash marks have left the field of view. On lowest settjngs, you can't even see the hash marks for hold over.

FFP is OK in certain short throw power ranges, but pretty worthless in wide variable scopes.

I can clearly see my hold over on any power level with SFP

Except your hold-over is inaccurate once you come off the power level it was calibrated for.

 

[spaniel]

I've got both, FFP is great on long range scopes generally run at high magnifications and where holding to the reticle is useful. They are almost a liability at low magnification due to the disappearing reticle (illumination in my opinion is not an appropriate fix). So both styles have their ideal applications. Most of my stuff is SFP because more of my guns are set up for hunting than competition or dedicated long range hunting.