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Irregular shoulder bumps

Some years back I was lucky enough to come into possession of a secondhand copy of the 1995 Precision Shooting Annual, a compilation of some of the best articles from that year's PS magazine. It contains a fascinating articles by Messrs Ronald A Yerian and Mike Stiverson called Feeding Your Service Rifle setting out Mr Yerian's major problems in loading precision 308 Win ammo for an M1A rifle. Large case-neck and bullet runouts and major shoulder bump variations were only just two of the problems he met and eventually coped with. He finally obtained acceptable shoulder bump consistency through considerable experimentation with makes / examples of sizer die (and returning most as unacceptable) lubes and lube application methods and how he operated the press. It's obvious we start from a much better place today in terms of our equipment and components, but the variations and cures are still relevant.

I summarised these 1990s findings in a feature I wrote a few years back for the Target Shooter online magazine which started as a report on the then new RCBS Summit press but became a three-way comparative review of the Summit, Rockchucker Supreme and Forster Co-Ax each sizing 43 7X57mm cases from three makers some of which had been fired in an old rifle with excess headspace and needed significant shoulder bumps. Maximum amount of bump at the default die setting, range of amounts of bump, and neck runouts / ranges were all measured and compared between the three presses. The die used was an off the shelf Hornady non-bushing FL sizer.

http://www.targetshooter.co.uk/?p=1750

The Co-Ax press was (still is) my personal press so was well used (but mainly on light duty work) and it was up against brand new out of the box examples of the Rockchucker and Summit supplied by the European agent for Alliant ATK which owns Blount / RCBS. As can be seen on the results table at the end of the feature, it can't bump shoulders back as much as the Rockchucker, but produces small variations in the range of shoulder positions. All three produced significantly smaller ranges (0.001-0.002") than the OP is getting and with a much cheaper / lower spec die. (The Rockchucker did best on shoulder position but worst on neck run-outs. It was ergonomically far superior to the other two models in what turned out to be a rather heavier work-session than expected and remains an excellent model for heavy-duty FL sizing.)
 
I had this issue on a couple of my chamberings, but especially the 243. As the expander was drawn back through the neck, if it wasn't lubed well the expander would drag the neck forward giving me inconsistent base to shoulder measurements. So I had to lube the snot out of the inside of the case to get good consistency, and then clean thoroughly. PITA.

Yes, crucial. Better still, discard the expander ball and use a mandrel type expander die as a separate operation.
 
Some years back I was lucky enough to come into possession of a secondhand copy of the 1995 Precision Shooting Annual, a compilation of some of the best articles from that year's PS magazine. It contains a fascinating articles by Messrs Ronald A Yerian and Mike Stiverson called Feeding Your Service Rifle setting out Mr Yerian's major problems in loading precision 308 Win ammo for an M1A rifle. Large case-neck and bullet runouts and major shoulder bump variations were only just two of the problems he met and eventually coped with
When the USA military rifle teams tried reloading their fired 7.62 NATO and commercial 308 Win match cases then testing for accuracy at 300 and 600 yards, no suite of fired cases and reloading tools produced the best accuracy. They all strung shots diagonally from 7 to 1 o'clock on target.

Why? None of the bolt faces were squared up with the chamber axis. Fired cases from them had out of square case heads. As the rifles bolt lugs were in battery at 10 and 4 o'clock, there was more barrel whip at 7 to 1 o'clock.

New cases had quite square case heads. Rebulleting LC M118 match ammo with Sierra HPMK's was one of the most accurate ammo. Handloaded new 308 match cases with Sierra's was an equal. 2/3 MOA test groups at 600 were common. In spite of a couple thousandths spread in case headspace and bullet run out, and a couple tenths spread in charge weights.

The best lots of 7.62 NATO M118 NM lots tested about 10" extreme spread at 600 from arsenal bolt action test barrels. 12 inches ES at 600 was as good as the NM lots shot in the best service rifles
 
And if you have any wear in the press linkage you will have variations in shoulder location using feller gauges and a air gap between the shell holder and die. And when the die makes hard contact with the shell holder there is no more slop in the equation.

Redding made these shell holder for a good reason.................it gets rid of the Guffey effect. ;)
How have the Redding competition shell holders helped your personal long range scores?
 
If you’re using a spay lube like dillion’s and don’t let the alcohol evaporate, it will definitely cause that problem. Cases must feel greasy and not wet before sizing. Once I figured that out ( if I had read the directions first) problem went away.
 

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