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Induction annealer

Raythemanroe

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Induction annealer


http://www.fluxeon.com/buyflux/index.php?route=product%2Fproduct&path=64&product_id=66




Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2xkf6NPOrw







Ray
 
Ray, that was a awesome video of the ''ANNIE'', just what I need another superior product to spend my $$ on!! dogdude
 
I thought it was a pretty neat gadget; anything that makes things easier or faster generally captures my money. This one looks pretty compact, a real plus.

Has anyone here bought one?

Joe
 
raythemanroe said:
For the do it your selfers that like to save money:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVYMLnXW9uo

If you go to the video creator's website http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects... the link is in the video description also you can find a prebuilt power supply and induction coil setup so you can assemble an induction heating coil easier than full DIY as shown in the youtube video. I put the necessary parts in the shopping basket included shipping to my address and the total was about $125 USD, a pretty good start to an induction annealer.
 
Joe R said:
Has anyone here bought one? Just looking at the video my first concern is that start button. It should be pretty durable or its a deal breaker.

Joe
On their website it states that if you want to free up your hands it is compatible with the Fluxeon Foot Switch.
 
I have been following the development of "Annie: for some time. I have also bought a couple different simple induction Royer oscillators and accumulated a box of parts to build an induction annealer including cores and Litz wire from Fluxeon and osc from Britain and Hong Kong.

I have succeeded in destroying a few power MOS transistors!
Making a reliable simple circuit supplying nearly 1000 watts is not easy. Actually coupling the power to the case is the hardest part and requires a split core like the ANNIE uses. Fluxeon has done their homework starting with a simple 1500 watt Royer with protective functions. Then they built adapters to use them to activate anodes inside neon bulbs. Then they did ANNIE
Now that Fluxeon is on the market with ANNIE, I think I will bite the bullet and buy one. You can buy a kit from Fluxeon but you still need some accessories from Fluxeon and have the hassle of packaging it (packaging a 1000 watt RF oscillator is NOT trivial!). Much easier and ultimately cheaper to buy ANNIE!
 
I have had some experience with induction annealing over the last 5 years or so. It seems that the main concern/problem, with inexpensive units especially, is the recovery time. That is: if you turn on the unit for 2 minutes you MUST let the unit rest for the same time or more. l have found that the more is better for long life of the tool. These folks look to have solved a good part of that through the use of a timer and a core for the coil to focus heat on. (on which the coil can focus heat, if you were an English major) My main concern is whether or not the gap in the core will allow me to heat my largest necks................so.....................
I just sent this e-mail:

I am interested in your "Annie" for cartridge brass annealing. Looking at the video on you tube I did not get a good sense as to how wide the gap in which the cartridge was inserted actually is. I use brass for .22 cal through .44 cal cartridges that I currently anneal using an Induction Innovations hand annealer unit. Yours looks to be more efficient. My question is this: Will your Annie accommodate (keeping in mind that the actual outside diameter of a case is a few thousandths larger than the caliber designation) all my cartrides?
 
amamnn said:
I have had some experience with induction annealing over the last 5 years or so. It seems that the main concern/problem, with inexpensive units especially, is the recovery time. That is: if you turn on the unit for 2 minutes you MUST let the unit rest for the same time or more. l have found that the more is better for long life of the tool. These folks look to have solved a good part of that through the use of a timer and a core for the coil to focus heat on. (on which the coil can focus heat, if you were an English major) My main concern is whether or not the gap in the core will allow me to heat my largest necks................so.....................
I just sent this e-mail:

I am interested in your "Annie" for cartridge brass annealing. Looking at the video on you tube I did not get a good sense as to how wide the gap in which the cartridge was inserted actually is. I use brass for .22 cal through .44 cal cartridges that I currently anneal using an Induction Innovations hand annealer unit. Yours looks to be more efficient. My question is this: Will your Annie accommodate (keeping in mind that the actual outside diameter of a case is a few thousandths larger than the caliber designation) all my cartrides?

Please keep me posted. I am very interested, but only if I can do a couple hundred cases at the time.

Thanks,

Joe
 
In reply to Joe--who asked me to keep him informed of my experiences on this subject and then blocked his PMS:


:o


You asked me to let you know what was happening with the Annie as far as I was concerned. I am afraid I have almost nothing to report as I was waiting for word from the maker of my current induction heater to get back to me about the one I sent for repair.

I just got off the phone with them and they tested my unit and found it to be working within their specifications. This is not within my specs for annealing brass, but I really have no honest complaint since their heater was never advertised as being suitable for annealing brass. I took someone else's word for it and really, in the beginning it did work quite well. As time went by it took longer and longer to heat the brass to 650 to 700 degrees, which as you may know is not desirable when treating cartridge brass as the slow heat gets a chance to cook the entire case, not just the neck. So, I sent it back and they cleaned the contacts and it sort of worked and then got slower and slower and I think you can see where this is heading.

Anyway, I had a long heart to heart with the boss there and we went over annealing and ferrous and non ferrous metals and watts and ferrite and all that for some time and I got the distinct impression that an induction annealer of 1000 watt power (which mine is and also the Annie) is going to keep suffering these problems.

The main differences I saw between my unit and the Annie were discussed by us in the aforementioned talk.He mentioned that I could certainly take my thumb off the trigger of my unit without the need of a timer and I agreed. He contend that the ferrite core used by the annie really only makes the unit more inefficient since the magnetic flux which does the heating is in the coil and transferring the heat to the ferrite degrades performance rather than enhancing it. If you look at Fluxeon's demonstration of heating copper on youtube with the Roy unit, you will note that there is no ferrite core used . they are sending me a coil wrapped around a ferrite core in the manner seen in the Annie video at no charge and the entire episode with my unit has cost me only $18.20 to send it back -- they are returning it at their expense and charging me zip to test it.

In conclusion, and in the absence of any reply from Fluxeon to my E-mail and telephone calls to two numbers listed by them--one of which may no longer be connected--I don't see any advantage in their unit versus mine, which was never designed nor touted as an annealer and I am reluctant to say the least, to spend $500.00 + on another unit of the same wattage.
 
amamnn said:

In reply to Joe--who asked me to keep him informed of my experiences on this subject and then blocked his PMS:

Please don't take my blocking PM personally. It has been blocked for a while, because when I sell or buy stuff it is difficult for me to keep track. Take a look at the picture it says right below my name.
 

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Amamann,

The problem you are having with the induction heater which I think is one of the two similar devices that are packaged in a tube about 2-3" diam and a foot or so long. These are designed for heating frozen nuts and bolts or heating bearings for installation/removal. They are also designed for a minimal duty cycle. The MAIN thing they are designed for is heating iron and steel, NOT non-ferrous metals like brass!
If you search thoroughly into the Fluxeon and Neon John files and read carefully, you will find that to heat brass you need a totally different turns ratio in the primary transformer as well as an impedance match/ flux concentrator. With the device you have you need an impedance match network and a flux concentrator. To fully understand how the cut toroid works as a flux concentrator requires a knowledge of magnetics and electronics. Fluxeon would have gladly sold you the correct adapters to convert your miniductor into a brass case annealer!

To explain more, I am a EE, I understand magnetics and the difference between steel and brass as far as heating them inductively, I have been messing with experimental induction annealers and now that Fluxion has Annie on the market I'm going to get one! No more problems with buying parts, paying for PC Boards, no more experimenting and looking for suitable enclosures just quickly annealing and going shooting!
 

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