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I Saved a Barrel

Like always, this is aimed more at beginning to intermediate chamber cutters. I don't have anything of value for an experienced guy.

It was that brand of carbon barrel I REALLY dislike. They are always dirty inside, very crooked, horribly wallowed out at the breech, and button rifled. I think button rifling is a bad idea on a liner for a carbon barrel.

It was hard to dial in as these barrels usually are. It's like the rifling isn't a consistent height. These barrels always need to be scrubbed, which helps some, and I need to cut the rifling out of the breech with the chamber reamer (or a throater) just to have an even surface for dialing near the breech.

I still dial in these barrels just ahead of the throat and about a 1/2" in front the breech. I suppose drill and prebore would work as well, but they would be a terrible choice for end dialers--they are that crooked. They can also give a Grizzly rod a very hard time.

The reamer looked okay, but when I bore scoped after just cutting a little ways, the shoulder looked rough. This was a brand new JGS reamer in .223 Wylde. So I pulled the reamer and went over the flutes at the shoulder with a diamond file--25 micron I think. On subsequent inspections the shoulder looked fine.

However, the big deal was how awful the ends of the rifling looked. Now the rifling in these barrels is always funny shaped. When crossing a land, the Interapid needle jumps up and drops a little, stays relatively even, then jumps up again before falling into the groove. It's like there are ridges on each edge of the lands, with the trailing ridge seeming to be a little bigger. So the end of the rifling often cuts funny.

Well this time, along with the funny rifling ends, the throat wasn't cutting evenly. I thought I should have been past the wallowed out area of the breech, but I pulled the reamer anyway and dialed the barrel in some more. I did get it a little better. That solved the uneven throat cutting, though the rifling still looked funny.

Those ridges on each edge of the lands seem to leave thin lines on either side of the typically 5R "U" rifling end. I varied speed from 95 to 250 to try and clean that up. Best cut was at 140 RPM.

These edge lines are very faint and after a few rounds will go away. Still, it took me as long to cut this 223 chamber it as does to cut a 33 XC chamber.

For a while there I thought barrel was going to be junk. Given the irony of most things, this barrel will probably be a hammer.

I still hate this brand, but I was able to cut an even chamber that polished out nicely and did save the barrel. We are doing a load development on the rifle, so we'll see how it shoots ourselves......
 
@Alex Wheeler. We know that those small anomalies in land or groove shape usually don't affect how the barrel will shoot. Besides the proper cutting of the chamber. What in your opinion is the best predictor for barrel performance when it comes to internal measurements? I am talking single point cut rifled barrels. What makes the better barrel manufactures "better"?
 
What makes better manufacturers better in my opinion is consistency. They send me the same barrel every time. Very little variation. So far as what you can measure to determine performance, not much without shooting it. Excessive ratchet is something I dont like to see. Excessive groove size is also a problem. The issue with odd shapes in the bore is it makes it far harder to dial in until you come up with a method of dealing with that. Still, the potential for a less than perfect dial in is greater than a barrel with even bore and grooves without ratchet or radius error.
 
Thanks for the reply. What would be your max acceptable variance in groove depth? +/- .0002 or less?
Also have you ever experimented with different land to groove ratios?
 
Lands on button barrels are cupped, usually about .0003. Thats where the displaced material goes. Normal buttons dont touch the top of the lands. Wont effect how it shoots if its a good barrel.

Thanks for that. Lets me know I am not crazy for seeing that repeatedly on button rifled carbon barrels.

Do you think turning down the blank into a carbon barrel liner makes the rifling worse, or is that just what you often see with button barreled rifles?
 
Thanks for the reply. What would be your max acceptable variance in groove depth? +/- .0002 or less?
Also have you ever experimented with different land to groove ratios?
Really depends on the bullet. -.0000, thats for sure though. Yes, I have played with groove depth. Ratios are hard, your not going to get a barrel make to change that.
 
variance in groove depth? +/- .0002 or less?
Which variance? You have variance from nominal groove diameter, and you have variance in uniformity down the length of the barrel.

As an example, Shilen Select is air gauged to within .0003 on diameter, and .0001 uniformity.
 
Nominal groove diameter. I should have specified. I have heard some manufactures (such as Shilen) allow up to .0003.
 

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