Fellas i sold my coyote rifle last winter to fund a benchgun but now its time to start thinking about the up and coming coyote season. My corn has big old Ears on it already and it wont be long and we will be taking it out. Maybe i will get to fool a few of the young coyotes this year? The last coupe seasons were late harvest and didnt get much of a chance to call and young dogs. Anyway i found an old rem 700 in 222 for 275 bucks shipped. I cant pass it up. The barrel is pitted, but the fella claims it will still shoot .5 to .75 " groups. Here is what i have in mind for this rifle. I can get shilen chrome moly varmint barrel for about 150 bucks plus another 150 for a chamber job. i can get a nice used HS varmint stock for about 200. I dont think i will bother squaring the action but i may as it would only be another 150 bucks. I just dont know yet what i will do there. after all its just a coyote rifle, but i may. Here is were im not real sure what to do. the bolt face is going to be 223 and i am really thinking about chambering the rifle back to a triple duce? I dont have any experience with the 222 but is it big enough to kill coyotes out to 3-400 yards? Or should i go with something like a 223 ackley? I was really wanting a 308 bolt but this is a pretty good deal and i am going to have to make this work. Also how hard is it to open up a bolt face? will i have to go with a sako type extractor if i do this? Thanks fellas! Lee
I found a deal on an old rem 700, need advise.
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A .222 will make it to 300 with work and good shot placement.
But I'd do what you're doing and make it a TAC 20 with 1 in 11 twist. It will getter done!
But I'd do what you're doing and make it a TAC 20 with 1 in 11 twist. It will getter done!
6mm tcu?? I guess im not real sure what that is?
I have shot the shilen chrome moly barrels on other coyote rigs and i think they are a great value. actually for 140 bucks they cant be beat. I always seem to do all my rifles the right way, so i would assume ill have it trued up on a jig. I think the jig method is a pretty solid way to square up a rem 700 and its pretty affordable to boot. I will bed the action in a HS varmint stock. These stocks make a great varmint hunting platform. How does the 223AI feed from an internal box magazine? Thanks Lee
I have shot the shilen chrome moly barrels on other coyote rigs and i think they are a great value. actually for 140 bucks they cant be beat. I always seem to do all my rifles the right way, so i would assume ill have it trued up on a jig. I think the jig method is a pretty solid way to square up a rem 700 and its pretty affordable to boot. I will bed the action in a HS varmint stock. These stocks make a great varmint hunting platform. How does the 223AI feed from an internal box magazine? Thanks Lee
Though I have never hunted coyotes, I have owned a deadly accurate .222 for a few years now and will say that it will get the job done out to at least 300 yards with good shot placement. It's only about 200fps behind the .223 in muzzle velocity, so it's not horribly lacking. I do feel with a good bullet and proper shot placement that it will get the job done.
lee, you might want to consider selling the OEM bolt on GunBroker, and replacing it with a PTG with .473" boltface. That would also allow you to get it slightly oversize to reduce bolt slop. A .473" bolt would allow you to go with a 22-250, which would be a much better choice for longer shots on coyotes.
If you go that route then the 22/250 imp with the new Lapua brass is the bomb. Same velocity as the 220 Swift with way better case dimensions. I would recomend using a 12 twist barrel.flatlander said:
Do not put any money into a "new" to you rifle. It may shoot great just the way it is. Next bed the action and free float the barrel yourself, not hard to do. Then paint it camo with shake cans from home depot. Put all your extra money into the best scope you can buy it will hold it value and you can put it on another rifle. You can not make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
flatlander
I like the way you think. That didnt even cross my mind. As far as having 800 bucks into the rifle isnt that much of an issue. 800 bucks is pretty cheep for a semi custom rifle. Those shilen chromoly barrels are dam good barrels that shoot extremely well. actually its one of the best kept secrets i know for a hunting barrel. definitely a far site better than a pitted remington barrel. I love fine rifles and this is just about the only thing i spend my spare money on, so i will want to do it half way right. I just talked to my smith and he is only going to charge me 100 bucks to square the face and chase the threads, so that isn't to bad. I dont know what a kiff bolt will cost with a handle tig welded on so we will just have to see. I was really more concerned with the 222 and its killing power on coyotes. I had a 204 ruger a few years back and i hated that thing. I had more run off in one season that i had had in all the years hunting combined. They would go down for a minute, but then they would get up and run off just about the time i put the rife away. LOL!! I just dint care for it. others claim they love them for coyotes?? Thanks for the thoughts i appreciate it ! Lee
I like the way you think. That didnt even cross my mind. As far as having 800 bucks into the rifle isnt that much of an issue. 800 bucks is pretty cheep for a semi custom rifle. Those shilen chromoly barrels are dam good barrels that shoot extremely well. actually its one of the best kept secrets i know for a hunting barrel. definitely a far site better than a pitted remington barrel. I love fine rifles and this is just about the only thing i spend my spare money on, so i will want to do it half way right. I just talked to my smith and he is only going to charge me 100 bucks to square the face and chase the threads, so that isn't to bad. I dont know what a kiff bolt will cost with a handle tig welded on so we will just have to see. I was really more concerned with the 222 and its killing power on coyotes. I had a 204 ruger a few years back and i hated that thing. I had more run off in one season that i had had in all the years hunting combined. They would go down for a minute, but then they would get up and run off just about the time i put the rife away. LOL!! I just dint care for it. others claim they love them for coyotes?? Thanks for the thoughts i appreciate it ! Lee
Lee,
The 223 Improved won't feed from a magazine. Believe me, I have tried several times. All the above advise is good. The only thing I'll add as far as going to .473 boltface is that you will need to open the feed rails up and have the bottom side of them beveled to feed well. I went from 223 Remington to 6 BRX and that was what I had to do to get it to feed. Just my experience.
JLDavid
The 223 Improved won't feed from a magazine. Believe me, I have tried several times. All the above advise is good. The only thing I'll add as far as going to .473 boltface is that you will need to open the feed rails up and have the bottom side of them beveled to feed well. I went from 223 Remington to 6 BRX and that was what I had to do to get it to feed. Just my experience.
JLDavid
If your going to open up the bolt face, and already have a 6br or 6ppc, why not just do that again with a 12 or 14 twist? That way you already have the dies and brass ect. It may not feed very well from a mag without a conversion kit to it though. If I were to go with a .224 gun, I would do a .223 or 22-250. The .223 would be a lot less recoil compared to the 22 250. Not much though. You could push a 223 with a 52 grn bullet around 3200fps. Good for yotes. Just somethings to think about.
skeetlee i agree with m700 you can get a new rem 700sps varmit in .243 or 22-250 for $600.00
and unless you are good friends(very good friends) with the gunsmith and get a big discount.most smiths are going to true the action. and in the colder and more windy time of year, you need more smoke at them ranges. Also unless you are good friends with the smith it might be 2011 before you get the rifle finished.Hey im just saying....We could get into long talks about me cusssing a very good shooting 40x in .223 in the wind at 3-400yds
you just aint going to shoot that far with them little guns in the wind at them ranges.And just so nobody takes that the wrong way i have made some unbelievable shots in the wind at 450+yards with the .223 and also i have burned up 20rds at 300yds in the wind and could not hit anything.
and unless you are good friends(very good friends) with the gunsmith and get a big discount.most smiths are going to true the action. and in the colder and more windy time of year, you need more smoke at them ranges. Also unless you are good friends with the smith it might be 2011 before you get the rifle finished.Hey im just saying....We could get into long talks about me cusssing a very good shooting 40x in .223 in the wind at 3-400yds
you just aint going to shoot that far with them little guns in the wind at them ranges.And just so nobody takes that the wrong way i have made some unbelievable shots in the wind at 450+yards with the .223 and also i have burned up 20rds at 300yds in the wind and could not hit anything.
Lee: For your qriginal question: the 222 Rem. at 3 to 400 yards. Have 2 rifles chambered in 222 Rem., one a Sako L-46 with a Hart 1-14, and a really nice older Remington 700 BDL, all factory. Accuracy is outstanding up to & including 200 yds., but I've tried numerous times to get 'em both to shoot (sub moa w/ 5 shots at 300), and they both start to have "problems" at that distance. Could be the reason for the 222 Remington Magnum chambering. Not saying it would not work on coyotes at 400, but it may be pushing it (the cartridge) beyond it's limits. That would be an easy conversion to a 223 or 223AI.
I am really on the fence about what to use for this years coyote season. I wasnt even really thinking about it until i ran across this rem 700 22 for such a good deal. I always though a 22-250AI would be fun to have, and i guess i just figured thats what i would have. I really want a rifle with a detachable magazine. Actually thats a must. I can do this with the remington, but that gets expensive. Maybe i will just sell this rifle and buy a tikka varmint? The AR's are ideal, but i really dont care for them much. Savage is out, as i have never cared much for them. ahh hell, i just need to be patient, it will all come to me in due time. thanks fellas!
You can get a brand spanking new Rem 700 SPS DM (detachable magazine) in .243 Win for $589.
That gets you your Remington action. A detachable magazine. It's in a terrific cartridge that will smack any 'yote, even out there at long range. And you come out money ahead instead of buying a project gun.
That gets you your Remington action. A detachable magazine. It's in a terrific cartridge that will smack any 'yote, even out there at long range. And you come out money ahead instead of buying a project gun.
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