How many firings before trash can?

[garandman]

Yeah well now my Radar just went up.

I have no idea what that means. Should I call somebody for ya....???

The measurements are very consistent, across the board.

 

[INTJ]

Neck collet and digital caliper. When I set it back 2-3 thou bolt close was hard. The 7 thou setback, bolt closed same as on an empty chamber.

Virgin brass measured 1.687. Fired - 1.703. SIzed, to be able to close bolt easily - 1.696.

That is likely because when you get to .007" you are sizing the body of the case enough so it has clearance on the chamber. I see this frequently when there is a chamber/die mismatch, usually due to a custom chamber.

Measure the diameter of the case body about .200 up from the base, and measure the shoulder diameter on fired cases as well as on the ones sized .007". I would expect that the .007" sized cases are smaller in diameter at the base than the once fired cases.

 

[jimmymac]

Not a 6BR guy, since I play different games. Recently shot a 512 in UBR with 11x brass that was annealed once at 8x. In all those firings, I only had to trim twice. My brass doesn’t move much from fired to sized. My die is working great. No telling how many firings I’ll get out of this.

 

[jimmymac]

Forgot to mention that my primer pockets are also holding up great and I’m shooting pretty hot like most guys.

 

[meatbag]

I got 25-27 reloads(some reloaded more than others in the same batch) on some ADG 28 Nosler brass before it started to show signs of separating but from what I can tell this is not normal.

 

[Falfan2017]

I’ve had 6br/bra/dasher brass go at least 20 firings with no annealing and no problems. I just start with fresh brass on a new barrel.

 

[M-61]

Ok, let's talk small groups. I think that it's crucial to have the same velocity in order to get small groups. If I don't anneal and keep track of number of firings within a batch of cases, how would it affect my match results if I take to the match 20 rounds loaded with 5 times fired unannealed brass?

Ok. I agree with velocity etc. I can take unannealed, more than 5x shot for sure, but those 20 unannealed brass all have been fired the same number of times fired on them, and shoot in the 2's and sometimes in the 1's. I consider this great for me. I'm not a championship shooter but those groups are nothing to sneeze at. I believe this is the best I can shoot. Most of what's not going in the 1's is ME. So that's my results for not annealed brass.

 

[M-61]

Sure it's one of my best but it's shot with not annealed, 13x shot, 30BR.
For me it's fabulous. 100 yard, Berger's, Bushnell scope, Bartlein barrel, Savage action

 

[marchx]

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Sure it's one of my best but it's shot with not annealed, 13x shot, 30BR.
For me it's fabulous. 100 yard, Berger's, Bushnell scope, Bartlein barrel, Savage action

Verba volant, exempla trahunt. Thanks!

 

[rjtfroggy]

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Sure it's one of my best but it's shot with not annealed, 13x shot, 30BR.
For me it's fabulous. 100 yard, Berger's, Bushnell scope, Bartlein barrel, Savage action

IMPOSSIBLE!
Savages can't shoot.

 

[bozo699]

I’ve got some 6brx cases with over 30 firings, single digit es/sd when I first started never checked it again but when I retired them from competing at 25 firings they were still competitive. I annealed evening firing from new. Groundhogs don’t seem to notice any difference now.
Wayne

 

[Shooter13]

I would not anneal unless I used an Amp or salt bath. Both were consistent in my experience. Lapua 6br brass is readily available so annealing it to extend life may not be a great return. The main thing is that if you do not anneal, keep your brass on the same firing cycle.

No turn neck is easier and guys shoot small groups with no turn. I am testing a no turn Dasher now to see if it is more accurate. I have shot 100 rounds and so far see no significant difference.

I see where you are coming from but for me annealing is not about more case life it is about consistency. Yes I would like my brass to last forever but in reality it won't so while I get life out of it the most important is that consist seating and release. There I said it

 

[NorCalMikie]

IMPOSSIBLE!
Savages can't shoot.

That was my first thought.
A 5 shot group that can be covered with a dime? PRICELESS.
I think one advantage is I use Precision Bushing Bump Dies and the brass doesn't hardly get moved when sizing. Don't think I've ever lost a 6BR case due to a loose primer pocket.
Remington .221 Fireball? A couple, till I figured out how hot NOT to load them.

 

[Jennb]

As a long range competition shooter consistent neck tension makes a difference. I annealed for years with a propane annealer with no problems. I purchased an AMP more for the convenience of being able to stop and start whenever I wanted without resetting flames and such. It is definitely more consistent and seriously more convenient.

 

[JimSC]

As a long range competition shooter consistent neck tension makes a difference. I annealed for years with a propane annealer with no problems. I purchased an AMP more for the convenience of being to stop and start whenever I wanted without resetting flames and such. It is definitely more consistent and seriously more convenient.

I was thinking the same thing when I had a small batch of thirty .308's I needed to do today. Just take the cover off, screw in the bushing, power up, select the program number and anneal. Will it help me on paper? darn if I know but it won't hurt

 

[bozo699]

I see where you are coming from but for me annealing is not about more case life it is about consistency. Yes I would like my brass to last forever but in reality it won't so while I get life out of it the most important is that consist seating and release. There I said it

Spot on!….
Wayne

 

[dave@aDave]

Neil Jones is adamant that you don't anneal.

 

[fatelvis]

I trust Lou Murdica's advise: either use AMP or don't anneal at all.

That statement is just foolishness. He should be a salesman for AMP. My Annealeeze works PERFECTLY every time.

 

[marchx]

That statement is just foolishness. He should be a salesman for AMP. My Annealeeze works PERFECTLY every time.

I am happy for you.

 

[fatelvis]

I am happy for you.

So am I!
I paid about 1/4 of what an AMP costs, and it does the same job. And it is automated. Eric Cortina, Who I am sure most of you respect his opinion, has found that there is much room for error in annealing, and it isn’t so much of a Precision procedure as we once thought. So why spend so much money on something that doesn’t require extreme precision?