how accurate is your savage really?

[chevytruck_83]

I have a couple savages. axis, bvss and fcp-k in 223. they have all shot amazing groups in my opinion. 10 shot in under 1.5" at 300 off a bipod and bag prone. plus numerous others. this makes me wander. what are the guys that compete and really know how to tune a load for a gun getting out of there savages.

 

[CaptainMal]

My take is very few people - shooting off a bipod prone (no rear rest?) could do as good as you with anything.

Unless you are talking serious target/benchrest equipment, my impression is you are about as good as it gets right now.

Hug your Savages.

 

[mao0720]

.245" group at 100 yds from a bipod and rear bag, with my savage dual port target action (krieger barrel), and that was during load development. I have put 14 rounds (dang 15th was a flinchy trigger pull and a flyer) into a blob of a whole at 200yds with the same rifle, again with bipod and rear bag. About he best I have done at 600 was 4" for 5 shots, but that is because of an inexperienced shooter, not the rifle. With more practice at longer ranges I should be able to bring that down to 3 inches or less at 600.

 

[M-61]

Only my custom made 222 can shoot tighter groups than my Savage LRPV in 6BR.
I have a Savage 12 in 6.5x284 that shows promise but for me to match the 6BR with it is unlikely. A Savage target action with a 30 BR in the works. This all all at 100 yards off a bench. The Savage 6BR is the tightest group shooting factory rifle I have ever owned.

 

[savagedasher]

.228 is my best 5 shot at 100yd my load was 23 gr benchmark with 69g Sierra mk .012 off. It will do a half inch all day is the wind isn't blowing. Good Shooting Larry

 

[chevytruck_83]

bipod and rear bag.... its not me. its the gun that shoots lights out. sure there's many many shooters way better then me.

 

[tiny68]

I have a Savage Target action that was trued and timed by SSS and has the Evolution trigger and a SSS LVT stock that Fred bedded and pillared. I used it in short range BR for a couple of years in club matches. I shot a 30BR Shilen barrel or a 6BR Krieger. I shot some great groups with the 6BR. Many 2s. I also shot a few 249s in score with up 16X with the 30BR. However, I always seemed to have the occasional unexplained flyer. I would shot a 3, a 2, a 2, a 3, and then a 6 shows up. Usually more than one 5 or greater in a match to be honest. I have got some great groups and a few 1s. But I never could lay down 5 decent groups in a row or even shoot clean in score.

I love my Savages, but some aren't capable shooting the constant groups a custom action can in my opinion. When my boys are grow and gone to college and I get to pick up where I left off in BR it will be with a custom. But there isn't anything wrong with shooting outstanding groups with our Savages. I built both of my boys rifles on Savage actions. Because the flexibility to swap barrels I shoot them much more than my Remmies.

Luck, Tim

 

[jscandale]

I don't think the name on the side of the receiver has much to do with the accuracy. Whether it's a Savage, Winchester, Remington, Wheaterby, Howa, Browning...if the rifle is built well, it will shoot well.

JS

 

[SDWhirlwind]

A few things that go through my lil mind when I read some things on the net? I know I am a bit green but with 80K+ rds of reloads since '76 I am quite aware of my lack of skills, both shooting factory and custom barreled rifles and reloading. With that being said.......

If you say you shot a -.250 group is it then a 'consistent' sub .250" rig or.....?????? I never read where the poster follows up with average or worst of prior and subsequent groups?? For example I finished building a new 6XC a few wks back with a Stiller Predator and Krieger 8 twist. Only 25ish rds down range so far with break in and load work. Last 3 shots Sunday measure .290ish outside to outside. Guess I can claim it a sub .050ish rig? Or Not?

I have still not quite figured out what "it will shoot lights out" means???? Anyone care to explain in laymans terms? Nobody here in western SD has been able to share any light on what it means!

Also if you 'claim' "all day long" is that another 10 rds? 100rds? 200? 300? 1000? Depending on the day sometimes 15 minutes is enough and sometime in the ole days on a good dog town it was 400+rds but I surely NEVER EVER shot 100%, or even 80% "all day long"! Explanation please?

In all the thousands of groups I have shot with new factory rifles, used factory rifles, Winchester(12?), Remington(70-90), Sako(10ish), Ruger(15?), Steyr(1), Weatherby(4), S&W, Mossberg and Howa 1500's(at least 30), Savage(8-9?-but I have owned none) and at least 25 new custom barrels and perhaps 15 used and the thousands upon thousands of primers I have poped I can still say in all honesty I haven't shot more than 20 sub .250" groups and surely NEVER 2 back to back. One would think I would get better but I am starting to believe I really and I mean REALLY SUCK at shooting!!!!!! Although I have never shot a full blown BR rig!!! Maybe?

I know, I will be called names,.....ugly names, called a trouble maker and perhaps even a pot stirrer, even probably a senile ole worthless half blind never was or will be but I just cannot help but be amused when I read these threads. The best rigs money can buy never seem to perform as consistently as some of the cheapest production rigs made. Seems little reason for aftermarket?? I mean and many many of these claims from guys with virtually NO experience and shooting factory ammo????

Kinda like the velocity claim in another thread from a 22/250AI. I can't anywhere near match his claimed velocity with a bigger case and lighter bullet! And he gets 15 reloads from his brass and I don't think mine will make 6,.... SIX!!!!!! I will confess if I am not mentally challenged completely I am surely statistically challenged cause the numbers just don't seem remotely possible! I can see once, occasionally, sometimes, or????? ...........but.............

Help Please to clarify? Not looking for an argument or to start one of them bladder relieving contest, just explanations and clarifications I can understand!

Edit to ADD....If I called all of them out of the group holes "flyers" it would mean that Sierra, Hornady, Lapua, Berger, Nosler etc sure do make a lot of crappy inconsistent projectiles!!!! I mean ALOT

Respectfully,
Dennis

 

[savagedasher]

All I can Base my information on is results .when you see factory gun class results an the first 10 is all savage .that pretty much tell me to win you must have a savage. Good Shooting Larry

 

[SDWhirlwind]

All I can Base my information on is results .when you see factory gun class results an the first 10 is all savage .that pretty much tell me to win you must have a savage. Good Shooting Larry

Ok Larry, you stated your "best" group was .228"? Then what are previous and subsequent groups? I am asking, if you sat down on a good day and shot 10 or 20 5 shot groups with NO EXCUSES and averaged those groups what would they average??? 1/2"? 5/8"? 3/4"? 1'? More? What if you did that on 3 separate occasions and averaged? How close to .228" would your average be? Just asking!

I mean if what you say is true about all the top 10 winners what were the other factory guns? How many shooters? Is this the same results say 15 different matches? If not than how many matches have all top 10 been Savage? Or asked another way, how many 'other' brands were shot in this same match/matches??? Are those matches normally shot by beginners with limited funds and bought a Savage to see if they would like that particular competition?

I am not trying to be difficult. I have had more than 1 dozen Savage/Stevens rifles brought to me in just the last 5ys that the owner says "won't shoot" or "won't shoot good"!!! 223's, 22/250, 243, 25-06, 7-08 but don't remember any mags! I have never shot any that "consistently" shot under moa, more like 1.5" to 2" with best handloads. I don't do much gun work anymore but still seem to get the 'troubled' stuff that the owner thinks I am going to wave a magic wand over! So with that experience I am perplexed although I admit a small sample but NO Tack Driver ALL DAY LONG SUB .250ish nor ever heard claims of such in this part of the country?

 

[Seeking_Coyotes]

I think maybe some Savage stories are exaggerated. I bought a model 10 .243 about three months ago. It was an extreemly fussy gun. I tried multiple bullet and powder combinations taking several hundred rounds at the range to find a consistent .50 five shot 100 yard group. 70 Sierra MK with Varget. Folks act like you pick a savage off the rack and wala. That has not been my experience. I own three Savages.

 

[savagedasher]

I said it will do a 1/2 '' all day long with out any wind. Most factory classes have 15 or more shooting. You can find the results in NBRSA Good Shooting Larry

 

[Hoier]

I had a Savage in a 204 and it would shoot about .5". Some .3s and a few .2s.

 

[Erik Cortina]

My experience has been that guys that say their gun will shoot .xxx" "all they long" have never shot all day long.

I have shot 1000's or rounds out of custom built rifles with the best components money can buy. Not only do I have a few very precise guns, but I shoot against guys that are as serious about accuracy as I am if not more. To this day, I have yet to see a gun that shoots 1/2 MOA "all day long". Of course, we shoot at 1000 yards, but even then, I have not seen a gun even hold 1/2 MOA for vertical, much less group over 60 shots. And I would not consider 60 shots "all day long".

I hear many guys talk about how accurate Salvage rifles are, but never a top shooter in LR BR, F-Class, or much less point blank BR shooters. Can you imagine a 100 yard BR shooter bragging about a .2xx" group? Not gonna happen.

No disrespect to anyone, all I'm saying is that some of us have a different idea of what accuracy is. Those of us that seek the most accuracy and consistency and compete at the highest level will not show up at the firing line with a Salvage rifle.

 

[Jet]

I own three savages. I have many rifles and trained on/use the M24 for many years. I was and still am a Remy 700 fan. Very good, reliable actions and weapons. About six years ago I bought my first Savage (Model 10 FCP-M 308). I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. This rifle was easy to reload for and tune and it will consistently shoot .5"-.7" five shot groups.

I wanted a 6.5 to compete in local 600yd matches so I picked up a model 12 LRP in 260. This rifle with 139gr Scenars and 40.7gr of H4350 will put five shots into .3 and I'm usually in the 3.5"-4.5" for 10 shots at 600yds of a bi pod. Rifle can shoot tighter at distance but I usually get caught by the wind which will open the group up to 4.5".

I have a model 10 with Krieger barrel chambered in 30BR that I'm just starting to mess with. It is proving to be very accurate as well.

The tighter tolerances with custom actions will almost always prove to have more repeatable and consistant accuracy. For off the shelf factory rifles, Savages, for the cost are extremely accurate rigs that are a great value.

The folks who compete have to put a lot of money into their equipment to be competitive. The cost of a custom rifle is a small amount when you factor in all the other costs associated with the sport. In the end it all boils down to experience and applying the lessons of many rounds fired. The top shooters in short range and long range game have mastered load tuning, reading and shooting in various atmospheric conditions, nailed down techniques, know what equipment to use when, etc.

Jet

 

[SDWhirlwind]

I said it will do a 1/2 '' all day long with out any wind. Most factory classes have 15 or more shooting. You can find the results in NBRSA Good Shooting Larry

Larry
Not intentionally picking on you or singuling you out in particular but your statement above leaves NO black and white and only more gray! How many shots in "all day long"??? Shouldn't be a hard question! 10? 20? 30? 50? 100? How darn many? To me "all day long" is no less than 6hrs of pretty constant gunfire and better be at least 300 rds at the absolute minimum! If not it hardly qualifies as a 15 minute coffee break or lunch break at best and not anywhere close to "all day long"! So you are claiming that with above mentioned rifle you could shoot 60 5 shot groups in 1 day with all shots counting and it will "average" 1/2" or under??? That should be a short day @ 300rds! A simple Yes or No answer is all I ask to this question! No buts, no smoke, no excuses! Yes or No?

If these Savage rifles are what many internet users claim than my request should be met with pride and confidence and nothing else, surely not excuses? Takers???? Please keep this conversation civil, I am asking only for PROOF of these internet claims by Savage owners or anyone else who makes them for that matter!!

I have never made claims or bragging comments of any kind because I am confident that with my luck and skills the day I am called upon to 'prove it', I won't be able to. Now I have made some pretty amazing shots on fox, yotes, deer, pdogs and porkys setting in trees a looonnnnggg ways off but can I do it again with a witness????? I don't like to be embarrassed or called a liar, takes a long time for people to forget those who do that without hesitation!

 

[savagedasher]

25 rds jus like I do in bench rest.. It hast to be calm Good Shooting Larry

 

[Justin1098]

I have a savage 12 bench rest in 6br. When I got it, I had been loading for a year. I made mistakes like high pressures. 30gr of varget was too much for the chamber. I was averaging about 1" groups at 100 yards. I was not happy, so I bedded it and replaced the barrel with a shilen prefit. Now it likes anything around 30 gr of varget and can handle more without pressure signs. I shoot from a cheap caldwell rock br rest and a rear bag. The wind never stops blowing at koko head range here in hawaii, so I have little experience with no wind. Also, I don't use flags. On a couple of days when wind was very light, I was averaging honest 1/4" groups ranging from .1" to .35" 5 shot groups. On most days it will average just over 1/2" most days and it makes me happy.

There have been some days that I go out and I am all over the place and it makes me sad. I don't know why some days i shoot bad, maybe its me or weird wind. I am glad those days are rare. I usually switch to shooting the 450 yard gongs on those days.

When I go to the range, I usually shoot 100 rounds. Usually 50 at my 100 yard targets. I clean after 50. When I shoot more then 150, accuracy seems to fall off. I assume it's fatigue. It takes 3 hours to shoot 100 rounds because of time spent waiting for tha barrel to cool and BSing with friends.

 

[mattt]

Didnt James Crofts last years National f/tr champ build his winning rifle on a savage action?