OK. so I guess I need to watch my wording a little closer if your gonna nit pick it apart. when I go to the range I usually spend 4-6 hrs there with 2 or three guns. usually 100 each when I'm not doing load development. I said all day long just as an expression. take it how you want. but when I sat down to shoot the target savage gives you with your rifle I had about 90 rounds through it that day and decided it was shooting good enough to shoot the last. 10 at the target at 300. though I didn't write down what it actually measured and I already sent it to them its right around 1.5" ill try and post some pics. believe me or don't. I'm happy with it.
how accurate is your savage really?
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as far as group after group accuracy. I guess Ill have to shoot 10 or 20 5 shot groups consecutively and post results. I honestly haven't shoot more then ten of the same load since I couldn't get ahold of the Barnes matchburners it loves. so there's only one way to find out for you. I don't weigh cases or anneal etc. so there will be some variation in this many groups but as a whole but lets see.
Willoughby
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can anyone verify Team Savages claims of winning competitions with stock factory rifles ?
I have 4 savages that shoot .5 moa at 100 most the time-
the rest of the time -when they don't Its probably the driver -me-
I have 4 savages that shoot .5 moa at 100 most the time-
the rest of the time -when they don't Its probably the driver -me-
Whether or not the accuracy claims made for Savages all day long are true or not, but when the statement is less than 0.5 I am a little skeptical. I always reach for my boots whenever I hear some one say all day long as it is probably going to get deep.
A little hijack coming:
One thing I will say in Savage's favor is they may have done more for sports like F-class than any other gun manufacture. People can buy an effective F-class gun for under $1,000 to give F-class a chance, lowering the entrance bar allowing/encouraging more people to try the sport out.
At our State Long Range Match in MN an FTR record score for seniors at 1,000 yards was potentially set (waiting for NRA approval) with a savage action and stock.
A little hijack coming:
One thing I will say in Savage's favor is they may have done more for sports like F-class than any other gun manufacture. People can buy an effective F-class gun for under $1,000 to give F-class a chance, lowering the entrance bar allowing/encouraging more people to try the sport out.
At our State Long Range Match in MN an FTR record score for seniors at 1,000 yards was potentially set (waiting for NRA approval) with a savage action and stock.
Don I can agree with that I have watched you do it Good shooting Larry
BoydAllen
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With all due respect, few factory rifle shooters will ever determine what their rifles are capable of, because of limits that they place on what they are willing to do to find out.
Without comment on the inherent accuracy of Savage, and Savage action based rifles, I find it pretty much universal that shooters do not tune their loads at the range, shoot over a full set of flags, use mirage shields, have or use fixed high magnification scopes, use a sighter target in conjunction with their "record" target, have the best rest/bag setups, use the lightest triggers available, and shoot from benches that do not wiggle. There are all pretty much standard to short range benchrest group competition.
I have had tuned and shot Savage rifles for years, and it would tickle me to see one show up at a non factory class short range benchrest group match, and just do moderately well, but I am not aware of any case that this has happened. I am not saying that it can't, or won't, just to my knowledge that it hasn't.
Years back, I separated my field rifles from my bench rifles, and that has turned out to be one of the best decisions that I have made relating to shooting. All of my Savages have been in the very good to excellent field rifle category.
Without comment on the inherent accuracy of Savage, and Savage action based rifles, I find it pretty much universal that shooters do not tune their loads at the range, shoot over a full set of flags, use mirage shields, have or use fixed high magnification scopes, use a sighter target in conjunction with their "record" target, have the best rest/bag setups, use the lightest triggers available, and shoot from benches that do not wiggle. There are all pretty much standard to short range benchrest group competition.
I have had tuned and shot Savage rifles for years, and it would tickle me to see one show up at a non factory class short range benchrest group match, and just do moderately well, but I am not aware of any case that this has happened. I am not saying that it can't, or won't, just to my knowledge that it hasn't.
Years back, I separated my field rifles from my bench rifles, and that has turned out to be one of the best decisions that I have made relating to shooting. All of my Savages have been in the very good to excellent field rifle category.
that's why Im asking. I take Wilson seaters to the range along with different charges primers and a chrono. I probably get more meticulous then most factory rifle shooters but not as much as the bench rest competition guys here.
Here is a target I shot on a two day weekend back when I had plenty of powder & bullets last year.
This target was shot with 6mmbr LRPV with a 8.5'' twist Kreiger barrel off bipods in factory stock.
There are 41 five shot groups with the three largest groups having six each.
Add these up comes to 25.2368 divided by 41 = .6155 subtract .243 = .3725 Avg.
This target was shot with 6mmbr LRPV with a 8.5'' twist Kreiger barrel off bipods in factory stock.
There are 41 five shot groups with the three largest groups having six each.
Add these up comes to 25.2368 divided by 41 = .6155 subtract .243 = .3725 Avg.
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I have a pair of 12F Savages and very pleased with the way they shoot although I would never try to compare them to a custom bench rifle.
My 6.5x284 is just straight "out of the box" single shot target Savage. It shoots at about .5-.7 moa as an average with a few 5 shot groups getting down to the .3's, not stunning but not too bad.
My other Savage is a 6Br I built myself out of bits. A Savage 12F action, Shilen 1in8 select match barrel, RifleBasix Sav-2 trigger, Richards stock. I feel it's a genuine .3-.4 moa performer and very forgiving about what I shoot through it. Best 5 shot group at 220 yds is .19moa.
Just a couple of weeks ago I was given half a box of Berger 69 gn FB bullets so loaded them up with 31gn Varget and shot four consecutive 5 shot groups at 110 yds. Average was .39 moa with nothing over .5 moa.
My 6.5x284 is just straight "out of the box" single shot target Savage. It shoots at about .5-.7 moa as an average with a few 5 shot groups getting down to the .3's, not stunning but not too bad.
My other Savage is a 6Br I built myself out of bits. A Savage 12F action, Shilen 1in8 select match barrel, RifleBasix Sav-2 trigger, Richards stock. I feel it's a genuine .3-.4 moa performer and very forgiving about what I shoot through it. Best 5 shot group at 220 yds is .19moa.
Just a couple of weeks ago I was given half a box of Berger 69 gn FB bullets so loaded them up with 31gn Varget and shot four consecutive 5 shot groups at 110 yds. Average was .39 moa with nothing over .5 moa.
I have been active in SERIOUS paper punch most of my adult life. I have custom actions - Remington based builds and finally a SALVAGE.
It started life as a Model 10 in 243--throw the stock and bbl away-laminated Savage Varmint stock/ glu in s/shot follower Rifle Basix good trigger-4 oz- bolt lift kit/ did that myself- Shilen Prefit in 6BR.
I load at the range with the Savage BUT the latest Remington XR-100 FACTORY 204 bbl rechamber to 20 Practical will shoot as good as the Savage. Bolt lift/feel is FAR superior and a lot less $$$ the 6BR copper fouls after 10 rounds of 105 A-Max the Remington never has had a Cooper issue also using Hornady V-Max
I have as much in my Savage as I do my Panda and the only thing that I could do to the Savage to improve would be a Timing job.
Even with the bolt lift kit the action is MUCH ROUGHER - kind of like running across a railroad track at 50 mph-than the Remington and NOOOOOOOOO comparison to the Panda.
I purchased the Savage cause like most I wanted to "Play with the Barrel Swap" option ---$$$ wise should have probably bought a Shilen/Stiller action and used their Pre-Fit.
In the end all I have is still a SALVAGE - Not bitter just "Ed u micated"
Jim
It started life as a Model 10 in 243--throw the stock and bbl away-laminated Savage Varmint stock/ glu in s/shot follower Rifle Basix good trigger-4 oz- bolt lift kit/ did that myself- Shilen Prefit in 6BR.
I load at the range with the Savage BUT the latest Remington XR-100 FACTORY 204 bbl rechamber to 20 Practical will shoot as good as the Savage. Bolt lift/feel is FAR superior and a lot less $$$ the 6BR copper fouls after 10 rounds of 105 A-Max the Remington never has had a Cooper issue also using Hornady V-Max
I have as much in my Savage as I do my Panda and the only thing that I could do to the Savage to improve would be a Timing job.
Even with the bolt lift kit the action is MUCH ROUGHER - kind of like running across a railroad track at 50 mph-than the Remington and NOOOOOOOOO comparison to the Panda.
I purchased the Savage cause like most I wanted to "Play with the Barrel Swap" option ---$$$ wise should have probably bought a Shilen/Stiller action and used their Pre-Fit.
In the end all I have is still a SALVAGE - Not bitter just "Ed u micated"
Jim
Well, I had typed out another somewhat lengthy post earlier and it ended up somewhere other than this thread. lol
#1-IMHO 25 rds surely doesn't make "all day long" a very legitimate argument to that statement! That is similar to me claiming I can 'jog all day long, down to the end of the block and back'!!! I went out and shot my Bee 27rds while the dog snooped around the city range last night. Took me all of 20 minutes!!! Considerable shooter fatigue and weather conditions change during that time frame! However, with that said my equipment performed admirably and as expected! Marlin makes a solid sub rifle just like my others! It shot consistent as usual! I was sighting it in so argueably I could claim I was group shooting as I would shoot at least 3rds minimum before scope adjustment.
#2-If you have a Krieger or Shilen or other aftermarket barrel or something not mass produced and directly from Savage than it doesn't fall into my search for claimed info on all the Savage factory rifles shooting .5moa or sub! I am wanting honest and forthright info on what FACTORY rifles will shoot. Not some special run/edition with an aftermarket premium barrel! While I personally like absolutely nothing about Savage rifles I may buy one if I can honestly believe the hype is correct and not internet BS to stroke your ego and convince yourself you are better than reality! Every factory Savage I have worked on and shot and cleaned coppered like nothing else I have seen, well, except some Ruger 77's and a few of the last Winny's before FN bought them.
#3- With so much talk and so little proof I guess my honest attempt for proof of such claims is yet another internet wet dream! One or two cherry picked target pics is a far cry from fact that a rifle is 'an honest' .5" or less consistent performer. A lot of difference between always and occasionally!
#4- With the ability to change almost everything yourself from barrels to bolt heads and such why isn't the Savage used by SWAT teams, FBI/HRT, HLS, SS or other LE organizations or the military for that matter. If what you Savage owners claim is true and factual why doesn't those who stake their lives on what they use/carry not see 'the golden egg, ie Savage' as an affordable and dependable tool???
Guess I will give up and realize I am wasting my time and this great sites server space!!! All smoke and mirrors again as usual and/or half truths and coulda woulda shoulda talk!
I am done!
Respectfully,
Dennis
#1-IMHO 25 rds surely doesn't make "all day long" a very legitimate argument to that statement! That is similar to me claiming I can 'jog all day long, down to the end of the block and back'!!! I went out and shot my Bee 27rds while the dog snooped around the city range last night. Took me all of 20 minutes!!! Considerable shooter fatigue and weather conditions change during that time frame! However, with that said my equipment performed admirably and as expected! Marlin makes a solid sub rifle just like my others! It shot consistent as usual! I was sighting it in so argueably I could claim I was group shooting as I would shoot at least 3rds minimum before scope adjustment.
#2-If you have a Krieger or Shilen or other aftermarket barrel or something not mass produced and directly from Savage than it doesn't fall into my search for claimed info on all the Savage factory rifles shooting .5moa or sub! I am wanting honest and forthright info on what FACTORY rifles will shoot. Not some special run/edition with an aftermarket premium barrel! While I personally like absolutely nothing about Savage rifles I may buy one if I can honestly believe the hype is correct and not internet BS to stroke your ego and convince yourself you are better than reality! Every factory Savage I have worked on and shot and cleaned coppered like nothing else I have seen, well, except some Ruger 77's and a few of the last Winny's before FN bought them.
#3- With so much talk and so little proof I guess my honest attempt for proof of such claims is yet another internet wet dream! One or two cherry picked target pics is a far cry from fact that a rifle is 'an honest' .5" or less consistent performer. A lot of difference between always and occasionally!
#4- With the ability to change almost everything yourself from barrels to bolt heads and such why isn't the Savage used by SWAT teams, FBI/HRT, HLS, SS or other LE organizations or the military for that matter. If what you Savage owners claim is true and factual why doesn't those who stake their lives on what they use/carry not see 'the golden egg, ie Savage' as an affordable and dependable tool???
Guess I will give up and realize I am wasting my time and this great sites server space!!! All smoke and mirrors again as usual and/or half truths and coulda woulda shoulda talk!
I am done!
Respectfully,
Dennis
I have an old Savage Mod 10 in 30-06 that my Father-in-Law bought in about 1958 when the Mod 10 just came out. He got a lot of game with it and ticked off a lot of fellow shooters by out shooting them with his "cheapie Savage!"
I pillar bedded it and skim bedded it and added a Rifle Basiks SAV-2 trigger but couldn't get it to shoot any better than its original ~1 MOA.
My other Savage rifle is a long range bench rest gun built on a Precision Target action with original Accutrigger, bone stock. The original barrel was a Shilen pre-fit in 243 WIN and now sports a Bartlein 6BRX chambered with my reamer by Stu, the local "go-to" gunsmith. Except for chambering this barrel and head-spacing it, I have been the "gunsmith" on this rifle.
The best 600 yd group is 1.4" and 1000 yd is 3", both in practice. The old 243 did a 1.8" group in a club match and got me a first ribbon.
I have competed in the last 4 NBRSA long range Nationals and am now nipping at the heels of the top 10.
I firmly believe that an excellent barrel, well loaded, consistent ammunition as well as a carefully tuned ammunition-gun combination is all that is needed for best accuracy. And, Savage PTA's do well, but I would like a better trigger! In fact, I have collected all the parts except barrel for another long range gun in 284 Lapua.
Of course, the weak link is still the skill and wind reading ability of the trigger puller!
I pillar bedded it and skim bedded it and added a Rifle Basiks SAV-2 trigger but couldn't get it to shoot any better than its original ~1 MOA.
My other Savage rifle is a long range bench rest gun built on a Precision Target action with original Accutrigger, bone stock. The original barrel was a Shilen pre-fit in 243 WIN and now sports a Bartlein 6BRX chambered with my reamer by Stu, the local "go-to" gunsmith. Except for chambering this barrel and head-spacing it, I have been the "gunsmith" on this rifle.
The best 600 yd group is 1.4" and 1000 yd is 3", both in practice. The old 243 did a 1.8" group in a club match and got me a first ribbon.
I have competed in the last 4 NBRSA long range Nationals and am now nipping at the heels of the top 10.
I firmly believe that an excellent barrel, well loaded, consistent ammunition as well as a carefully tuned ammunition-gun combination is all that is needed for best accuracy. And, Savage PTA's do well, but I would like a better trigger! In fact, I have collected all the parts except barrel for another long range gun in 284 Lapua.
Of course, the weak link is still the skill and wind reading ability of the trigger puller!
I forgot to add my opinion that the reason most (not all) modern Savage rifles shoot well is due to the assembly technique.
The engineers that designed the Model 10 and later guns used assembly techniques designed to facilitate well assembled guns in an inexpensive way. When a Savage doesn't shoot well, I would bet it is either a bad barrel or a mis-assembled part.
The engineers that designed the Model 10 and later guns used assembly techniques designed to facilitate well assembled guns in an inexpensive way. When a Savage doesn't shoot well, I would bet it is either a bad barrel or a mis-assembled part.
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