Hot load, flyers or tuner

[antunRC]

This target is from my last match (1000 yards). Unfortunately, after two days of shooting, I lost by one point in the final match. The conditions were very windy.

My question about this target is for more experienced shooters: how do you tell whether a load is too hot, whether the tuner needs adjustment, or whether these are simply flyers?

 

[Fast14riot]

That group is larger in both X and Y than I like to see for 1000y groups at a major match. You say it was windy, but what was the prevailing direction? Hindsight and internet advice is always 20/20, but the group wasn't centered up.

 

[antunRC]

This was a pair-fire match. Three shooters were firing at the same target, so it could be up to about 90 seconds between shots. The wind was predominantly left to right, with sudden increases and drops. There was almost no mirage due to the cloudy conditions.

 

[Fast14riot]

L->R wind and shots are L of center indicates to me "safe siding" your wind calls. However those high shots are rather scattered. I'd look closely at your brass prep (neck tension) and potentially load to see if you're on the edge of a node. I know is 2 or 3 to the mound you dont build up the barrel heat like in string fire when running a condition, but those high shots seem just out of place to me. Do you plot your shots or at least indicate rough location on a standard score card so you can see any trends?

 

[Fast14riot]

Another thought, do you know if you were cooking rounds in the chamber before those high shots?

 

[rardoin]

When shooting a match on Shotmarker targets, consider pulling the targets of other shooters that always are at the top of the sheet and compare to your target. This will help to rule out/in conditions as a possibility for ‘pitched’ shots and give you a better idea if it is you/your rifle. Shooting 2/3 to a mound puts more time pressure on me and makes me more likely to get less than an optimal break on a shot.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

To me, it looks like tune was close but not quite there. The first thing I see as tune goes away is vertical, which you have in that group. And, the horizontal appears to be consistent(up and left/down and right diagonally is the same thing) with the conditions. So, two things can be true at once...slightly out of tune in a crosswind, with less than perfect wind calls.

 

[ridgeway]

Weather report. I wouldn't see the above group as a flyers.

Below is what I consider flyers. I have been expertly producing them, HAHA....

 

[steve210]

Weather report. I wouldn't see the above group as a flyers.

Below is what I consider flyers. I have been expertly producing them, HAHA....

These look like gun handling to me, without the whole story that would be my call.

 

[Sandstorm]

These look like gun handling to me, without the whole story that would be my call.

This is where im going as well...
anything from shoulder pressure difference from shot to shot and with the added pressure
of Pair fire quite likely...I think the load was fine...just my 2c

 

[steve210]

Shoulder would be my call

 

[FeMan]

I agree with the suspect being gun handling.

 

[ridgeway]

Haha...you guys referring to my posted targets? Its not gun handing. My flyers were ignition related. Its been fixed. Posted it for what I consider flyers as an example

 

[JFrank]

Weather report. I wouldn't see the above group as a flyers.

Below is what I consider flyers. I have been expertly producing them, HAHA....

Beyond the ignition related, it looks like you also got blown left from a 2:00 ish on one and caught in a let up on the other.

 

[ridgeway]

Beyond the ignition related, it looks like you also got blown left from a 2:00 ish on one and caught in a let up on the other.

That's what you call a welcome to Williamsport, haha.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Haha...you guys referring to my posted targets? Its not gun handing. My flyers were ignition related. Its been fixed. Posted it for what I consider flyers as an example

So, you're perfect, your wind reading was perfect, your tune was perfect. Yet your groups were showing tune and wind due to ignition? It IS possible, just unlikely. But there is a check for it.

I'll stop with that but...just sayin is all.

 

[tom]

Looked to me more like he needed to move the tuner out 1/8 mark, and seat his primers another .000017" deeper!

Tom

 

[quest450]

Looked to me more like he needed to move the tuner out 1/8 mark, and seat his primers another .000017" deeper!

Tom

left or right ??

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Ridgeway posted text book ignition fliers. High or low, with a nice group otherwise. His were extreme but its real obvious to me they were ignition or primer seating issues. By primer seating I mean not bottoming them out which Im sure was not the issue here. To the op I would look at seating depth and annealing. If your anneal try a target not annealing. Or try a different seating depth. You have spitters. Your tune looks decent. Could also be bullets.

 

[quest450]

I was hoping for some more insightful information from the tuner guru.......very disappointing