Hornady ELD-Ms, gone and good riddance!!!

[JimT]

They are the guys that had nothing on their website or in their emails about R. Lee Ermey passing, correct? Same guys that didn't respond to my emails of "what was up with that?"

Danny

Could you please explain?

 

[Jdne5b]

Here take a look at the attachment. I couldn't do this at home as it's on my computer at work. This might help explain it a little better. Take a look at the circled area.

Also when we talk about reaming the bore when we make the barrels. Bore reaming is again the tops of the lands.

Later, Frank

If .219 is standard, why do we see so many .218 as the standard options?

 

[Area51]

Remember now, all barrels have successfully fraged the poorly designed and untruthfully advertised ELD-M bullets. Bart, Brux, others have all fraged these bad bullets.
Otherwise, carry on.
All the bbls used are good to excellent, its not the barrel specs that relate to the ELD-M continued failures in match use, its the boolits fault.

 

[FrankG]

If .219 is standard, why do we see so many .218 as the standard options?

From our end it's just demand/what customers want. So we are tooled for .218" bore as well as .219" bore.

I don't run any tight bore barrels anymore. I use to in the .224 caliber and 6mm barrels but the tighter bore if the bullet has a problem or the barrel has issues or the barrel has been damaged from cleaning etc...the tight bore barrel is going to amplify the problem.

Also if a customer insists on a tight bore barrel....I really try and get them to take the 5R style rifling. It's been proven to help fight bullet failure. This is because the odd number of lands and grooves....the lands don't directly oppose one another and distorts/upsets the bullet jacket less. Also to back this up....two different ammo/bullet makers have confirmed to me this year that after doing testing for the last few years and comparing 5R rifling to conventional rifling that they say the 5R rifling does fight bullet failure.

Tight bore vs. standard bore with good quality match bullets contrary to what you might hear....the tight bores don't shoot any better. So accuracy is a wash and nothing to be gained.

I just did a .223 bolt gun for my son. It's a 1-7 twist, 5R and .219" bore. The gun is a laser beam. I've shot 88 Hornady's, 75gr. Hornady's and 80gr. Berger's thru it with no bullet failures.

Also just did a 6BRA barrel. It's a standard .237" bore and 5R rifling and 1-7 twist. Only have a few rounds down it but again no issues.

 

[onelastshot]

I don't understand 12 pages of consternation and angst over something as simple as bullet failure. America is a country of consumption and to feed our demand of products our business community has filled the shelves with an array of products to fill almost any demand. Simply put, if you're not happy with a product this country provides an endless list of alternatives to choose from. If you're going to complain do it with your wallet; spend your hard earned dollars on the competitors product.

A while back I purchased Hornady brass for one of my rifles. There were 6-7 culls in the package, far too many for my liking, dents and cracked necks were simply unacceptable. I didn't go on line and complain about the inferior product Hornady was producing, I spoke with my wallet. I returned the product and purchased Lapua brass. The cost was higher but the quality was significantly better. When people speak with their wallets and refuse to purchase a companies product they eventually get the message. I refuse to purchase Hornady products. They don't meet my expectation of quality. Using your wallet to convey a message is far more satisfying long run.

 

[Area51]

I don't understand 12 pages of consternation and angst over something as simple as bullet failure. America is a country of consumption and to feed our demand of products our business community has filled the shelves with an array of products to fill almost any demand. Simply put, if you're not happy with a product this country provides an endless list of alternatives to choose from. If you're going to complain do it with your wallet; spend your hard earned dollars on the competitors product.

A while back I purchased Hornady brass for one of my rifles. There were 6-7 culls in the package, far too many for my liking, dents and cracked necks were simply unacceptable. I didn't go on line and complain about the inferior product Hornady was producing, I spoke with my wallet. I returned the product and purchased Lapua brass. The cost was higher but the quality was significantly better. When people speak with their wallets and refuse to purchase a companies product they eventually get the message. I refuse to purchase Hornady products. They don't meet my expectation of quality. Using your wallet to convey a message is far more satisfying long run.

 

[Bc'z]

Lmao

 

[JimT]

I don't understand 12 pages of consternation and angst over something as simple as bullet failure. America is a country of consumption and to feed our demand of products our business community has filled the shelves with an array of products to fill almost any demand. Simply put, if you're not happy with a product this country provides an endless list of alternatives to choose from. If you're going to complain do it with your wallet; spend your hard earned dollars on the competitors product.

A while back I purchased Hornady brass for one of my rifles. There were 6-7 culls in the package, far too many for my liking, dents and cracked necks were simply unacceptable. I didn't go on line and complain about the inferior product Hornady was producing, I spoke with my wallet. I returned the product and purchased Lapua brass. The cost was higher but the quality was significantly better. When people speak with their wallets and refuse to purchase a companies product they eventually get the message. I refuse to purchase Hornady products. They don't meet my expectation of quality. Using your wallet to convey a message is far more satisfying long run.

I guess you don’t love yourself as much as Gary G. loves himself.

 

[cinch29433]

I coulda lived the rest of my days without seeing that... Now my eyeballs need Alka Seltzer

 

[davidjoe]

A while back I purchased Hornady brass for one of my rifles. There were 6-7 culls in the package, far too many for my liking, dents and cracked necks were simply unacceptable. I didn't go on line and complain about the inferior product Hornady was producing, I spoke with my wallet.

Hmmm? This counts as going online... but I think that’s a good thing because it lets people know to watch for the brass issue you encountered.

 

[varget204]

MY Eyeballs,Just PUKED

 

[Liven The Dream]

Well read a lot. Some good some not understood ?
I will be running some 180 ELD's in my .284 F/class Rifles Brux 30" 1-8.5 twist, at 2750 to 2770 ( Berger Area ).
Hope to report No Sour Apples .

Have good Friend's running .223/88's in Palma Rifles at 800,900&1000 and Loving the Results ?

 

[wbm]

Some guys seem to like the ELD-M's. Like a lot.

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[ebb]

I was totally satisfied with A maxes and if the tip had been replaced with something that would stand the trip i would still be using them, heck ever if the tip stayed the same. I never saw any indication of tip failure. One of the best groups my 6.5-284 ever shot was with A maxes, i carried it around in my wallet for years. Yes Dusty i carry wallet groups, and i will show some BS artist if i need to.