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Hi Dennis, I use the Hoover system. I did a test at 1000yrds.
10rnds. fully preped 180 berger hybrid (No trim or point).
droped 2rnds in the 9
Next 10 rnds. fully preped 180 berger hyb. (trimed).
All inside the 10 ring.
Did this test in low wind in the evening.
More test later.
John R Perkins Jr