Here, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty?

[billmo]

Now this is what I call the real deal. It is a hell of a lot more fun to read this good stuff than to read an arguement. You see, everybody can "CAN" get along fine even if we disagree from time to time. And, I think the biggest factor in arguements being raised is the keyboard takes on "it's own" personality because neither party can see expressions and/or body language. Keep it up guys. This is the kind of stuff we need. After all, we are a commonm group on common ground and sticking together should be the most important thing on our minds in this day and age of whatever it could be called that America is facing today and many days to come. I'll leave the floor open for somebody to label it. Glad to see you back Catshooter. Now, get down to the business at hand and give us some of that knowledge you got stored away between your ears. Bill

 

[dreever]

Lito,

Your still as sick as ever! I still wish I'd copied some of those Sniper Country posts so we could have a "Best of Catshooter/Pablito" Volume 1,2.3..........whatever!

Danny

 

[CatShooter]

That is a funny post but would it not be better to learn to use the wind to your advantage? Learn to read it and as my cousin "Speedy" says "it will be your friend"!

"... but would it not be better to learn to use the wind to your advantage?"

Well... I cannot think of a way to use the wind to an advantage, unless you are a sailboat.

"0" wind is the best wind - if you can position yourself so the wind is directly behind you and flowing directly at the target, life don't get more easier than that.

This not benchrest, this Prairie Dog towns. You cannot learn to use a varying 20 to 35 mph wind to your advantage when shooting at 300 to 600 yds, with no cute Sunflower wind gauges, no idea of how fast, or what direction the wind is blowing.

There is nothing to learn, except that you must tie down your Jeep.

Things in benchrest work fine in benchrest, but often, they do not translate to other endeavers.

There are different shooting solutions for different shooting problems.



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[CatShooter]

Catshooter; You do have a way with words.That is a damn good write. Publish something I'll buy it right now. Do I detect the touch of an old Marine in you write sir;?
JIM

Thanks.

Actually, I have written tons of stuff like that on my home base of SniperCountry, and I will do a book of it this summer or fall, as soon as I finish playing lawyer.

There are some classics like, "Master Kung Foo Sniper" that still crack me up when I think of them.

Thanks again.

And as to the Marine part - I wish I was,best damn service there is... except for the others )

I was a shooting instructor in the late 60's early 70's... think "Shining Path".



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[rem_kujawa]

Just let us know when you do,I think it would be hot selling book.


There just isnt that much beer or bar stools to hear all of lito's stories.

Jon

 

[dreever]

Lito,

Who was your "Employer" in Peru? I was in Lao's about the same time working for the Agency. Part of an outreach arm of The Phoenix Program.
We lost that one in Lao's and I suppose the jury's still out in Peru, but we'll probably come up on the short end there too.
Ever since Korea the Communist's have been out scoring us in every little cat hole we've been in.

I worry more about the Russians and Chinese getting together to kick our ass while President Obama plays his fiddle just like Nero did while Rome burned.

Danny

 

[CatShooter]

Lito,

Who was your "Employer" in Peru? I was in Lao's about the same time working for the Agency. Part of an outreach arm of The Phoenix Program.
We lost that one in Lao's and I suppose the jury's still out in Peru, but we'll probably come up on the short end there too.
Ever since Korea the Communist's have been out scoring us in every little cat hole we've been in.

I worry more about the Russians and Chinese getting together to kick our ass while President Obama plays his fiddle just like Nero did while Rome burned.

Danny

I was working for an outfit called Cummings International & Associates in Yonkers, NY,I kid you NOT - talk about un-covert!)

I was young,er) then and very impressionable.

They were like Black Water is now. There were a lot of small outfits like them in those days. It was before the Kennedy School of Latin American Studies took that over. We got our ass kicked. I got torn and dirty tee shirts.

I taught long range solutions to political problems I was 28 when I left in 69, and the oldest guy there :,

It's where the name "Pablito" came from,Little Paul) at 6'5"

I've written about 150 pages of a book about it - probably finish it in a year or so.


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[chuckw2]

Good to hear from you CatShooter...


Heck and you too Danny where have you been?

 

[CatShooter]

Heck and you too Danny where have you been?

I drag the worst people out of the shadows.


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[chuckw2]

CatShooter


I wish you would bring that rascal Jason Baney back from black hole he fell into....Did JB1000 join PITA? Is he now a fly fisherman?


I got a PM from Jason several days ago saying that he back on the board???

A couple of weeks ago, I gave a friend of mine a copy of the article you wrote on parallax. Thanks for sending it to me....Great Stuff...

 

[dreever]

Lito,

Ah Lito don't you just love it. We both were young and stupid, i was younger than you, and probably more stupid and got torn and dirty too,Dirty deeds, but not damned dirt cheap!) No medals for us,wouldn't want any), no GI bill, hell if we got lost, captured,or killed nobody would know since we weren't really there in the first place. It did pay a whole lot better than the poor average grunt was making though.
I wrote a short account a couple of years ago. Maybe we should compare notes sometime. Of course some things are better forgotten. I believe in Karma, and perhaps now what goes around comes around is what's happening to our country. I do know that someday I'll have to account for all those "Dirty Deeds".

Chuck,

Still here, alive and kicking, been laying low for the winter. Older I get the more I hate the cold!
Jason Baney is alive and well, just got married, relocated to a new job where they actually expect him to work,LOL! just kidding Jason!) looking to buy a house, etc, etc. etc. Heck, he's still on his Honeymoon!

Danny

 

[CatShooter]

Lito,

Ah Lito don't you just love it. We both were young and stupid, i was younger than you,

EVERYBODY is younger than me :,

My Rat says that I'm older than dirt

and probably more stupid and got torn and dirty too,Dirty deeds, but not damned dirt cheap!) No medals for us,wouldn't want any), no GI bill, hell if we got lost, captured,or killed nobody would know since we weren't really there in the first place. It did pay a whole lot better than the poor average grunt was making though.

We got paid very well... and in cash!

I wrote a short account a couple of years ago. Maybe we should compare notes sometime. Of course some things are better forgotten. I believe in Karma, and perhaps now what goes around comes around is what's happening to our country. I do know that someday I'll have to account for all those "Dirty Deeds".

At the time, I was very macho about it... now that I look back, I'm damned glad I never shot anyone. But I'm not proud of what the people I trained did. As it turned out, it was the best up close lesson in politics I ever got - both sides were just as bad and just as dirty. Both sides were in it for the power. I'm glad I got out when I did, with my ass intact.

Older I get the more I hate the cold!

HA! Me too!


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[jb1000br]

Chuck, I is here!! Just don't get the forum time I used to...but I'm around

JB

 

[SlowpokeRodriguez]

That is a funny post but would it not be better to learn to use the wind to your advantage? Learn to read it and as my cousin "Speedy" says "it will be your friend"!

"... but would it not be better to learn to use the wind to your advantage?"

Well... I cannot think of a way to use the wind to an advantage, unless you are a sailboat.

"0" wind is the best wind - if you can position yourself so the wind is directly behind you and flowing directly at the target, life don't get more easier than that.

This not benchrest, this Prairie Dog towns. You cannot learn to use a varying 20 to 35 mph wind to your advantage when shooting at 300 to 600 yds, with no cute Sunflower wind gauges, no idea of how fast, or what direction the wind is blowing.

There is nothing to learn, except that you must tie down your Jeep.

Things in benchrest work fine in benchrest, but often, they do not translate to other endeavers.

There are different shooting solutions for different shooting problems.



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Yes I guess it is true that maybe it is not possible to teach an old dog new tricks as they say.. I was shooting in the wind for 30 years before I got into 1k BR. It is always better to understand and know as much as possible about a “thing” in order to better mitigate said commensurate effect is it not? lol:idea:

 

[CatShooter]

Yes I guess it is true that maybe it is not possible to teach an old dog new tricks as they say.

No... old dogs have enough knowledge to know when they are chasing their tails... and how to make life easier - young dogs waste their time trying to make square pegs fit in round holes.... and young puppies are not smart enough to know when they are debating something that they have no knowledge in.

I was shooting in the wind for 30 years before I got into 1k BR.

And I was shooting in the wind 20 years before you. I have no problem shooting in the wind, but like walking when I can ride, I'm smart enough to avoid it when I can.

It is always better to understand and know as much as possible about a “thing” in order to better mitigate said commensurate effect is it not? lol:idea:

"better mitigate said commensurate effect"

HA! - And it is better to know when you don't have to deal with that "thing" at all.
It is far better to not have to... "better mitigate said commensurate effect"... in the first place.

When you chose to deal with that "thing" when you don't have to, you may be a glutton for punishment.

You obviously have never been on a SoDak dog town.

In BR, you MUST shoot from the bench that is given to you, and you MUST shoot at the target in the place that it is. And everyone is shooting under the same wind conditions, so they are all under the same handicap. If that is the case, then you deal with the wind that you,and everyone else) gets.

But this is NOT BR - you are trying to compare apples to rocks.

In a dog town, you can pick the place when you want to shoot from - and make the wind a non-part of the equation.

If you wish to pick a spot in a dog town where you are dealing with 20 to 35+ mph rapidly varying 9 o'clock cross winds, to shoot at targets that are 4" wide and 8" tall, at ranges from 400 to 600+ yds, without the benefit of wind gauges or cute little spinning flowers, then by all means, be my guest.

But I guarantee that you will not hit 5% of the dogs that I hit from my position with the same 6 o'clock wind at my back.

Why is it that BR shooters think their shooting solutions fit all sizes?

You are debating something that you have not done. Martha Stewart would say, "... and that's a bad thing!".


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[SlowpokeRodriguez]

I will concede to the point about not shooting in a dog town----would love to do it just we don't have any on our place. The smallest thing I shoot at are feral hogs, dogs, coons, bobcats deer and coyotes.

I do agree that it is best not to have to deal with the wind and I would hate to have to depend on a tampon,lol) string but hey if it works it works.

BR is a different game than shooting in the field but the wind is still the wind and you have to be able to use it if you want to win.

"Winning Isn't Everything But Losing Sucks" --- Speedy Gonzales

 

[CatShooter]

"... and I would hate to have to depend on a tampon,lol) string but hey if it works it works.

A TAMPON STRING???? You must be thinking of some other "thread" ...

BR is a different game than shooting in the field but the wind is still the wind and you have to be able to use it if you want to win.

No kidding... and you assume that I never shot BR???

Wrong!

I own 2 BR rifles. But it is not a religion to me.


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[constructor]

Funny thing, I've been using that string method to keep shooting downwind when the wind hits 20+. We started out joking around with it but it works.

 

[SlowpokeRodriguez]

No I did not assume that you have never shot BR lol as I know what happens when you assume. The comment you quoted was not used to infer innuendo only to make clear that the wind is a factor with everything that is propelled through our atmosphere to be completely blunt. Your quote” But this is NOT BR - you are trying to compare apples to rocks. In a dog town, you can pick the place when you want to shoot from - and make the wind a non-part of the equation.” And being that I have never shot in a dog town,have seen them however) I would not agree with your statement conceptually that you can place yourself in such a manner that wind is not a significant factor that will define success or failure of the shot given enough range and the ballistic coefficient of the projectile.

I will agree that by placing yourself and your POA at a 6 o’clock or 12 o’clock position relative to the wind direction you are decreasing the variables that you have to deal with and that is just plain common sense would you not agree? There are some instances where even in a dog town you might be limited by either property boundaries,in Texas Parks and Wildlife Code 62.0121Makes it a class C misdemeanor to knowingly fire a gun, while hunting or for recreational shooting, across a private property line. There is an exception if you own the property on both sides of the line, or have written permission from whoever owns property on the line. The permission must have the shooters name, identify the property, and be signed by the landowner. Being charged under this law does not protect you against being charged under other laws as well) as in my state a bullet crossing a property boundary is considered criminal trespass or just the lay of the land.

If you learn to use the wind not just avoid it as sometimes it is inevitable then you will have a better probability of hitting the target the other variables being equal.

 

[Forum Boss]

While it's a really smart idea to put the wind at your back, that's not always possible.

Here in central/coastal california,and also in Oregon) we typically do our varmint hunting on ranchlands in the foothills. This means shooting in sometimes narrow valleys where your "choice" of wind directions may be fairly limited. Think "slot canyon" rather than "wide-open plains".

Additionally, it's not at all unusual given the effects of mountainsides and canyon walls to have the wind blowing from one direction at your shooting station while it's blowing from a completely different direction at the target.

Therefore, it's just plain smart for someone to learn to dope the wind. That's not a skill that's only of value to Benchresters. When you can mostly eliminate crosswinds as a variable,as Catshooter does), that's fantastic. But when you can't do so--definitely get out the windmeter and a couple sticks with surveyor tape attached.