Hearing protection act

[Milo 2.0]

I respectfully disagree. No law stops a criminal element from obtaining anything illegal if they want it bad enough all it does is stop the law abiding. Our hearing is out responsibility yes which is why we should have the right to obtain nothing more than a muffler. I hope you won’t try and dictate to another law abiding (adult) citizen that ear muffs are enough.

Edit: Also I have my own range and I do everything by the books, I’m sure my neighbors would appreciate the HPA. Unlike smoking (which you can take outside as to not affect others) shooting does affect neighbors close to a range.

First, you are right to degree on criminal obtainment, but name one crime committed with a class 3 firearm. Tougher to get one than a revolver.
2nd, noise as an annoyance is a far cry from noise associated with hearing loss.

 

[Milo 2.0]

but removing the ban on a device as innocuous as a lawnmower muffler is somehow a threat to liberty, or free enterprise??

Yup, yup, yup, just as the bump stock nailed the coffin shut on HPA.
The minute 4 gangbangers are cruising the SW side of Shitcago in a low riding 1988 mailbu conducting a casual driveby, the "mufflers" hanging off the end of their guns will now become the focus. Not the individual as it should be, wont even be the black gun, it was the silencer that proved to be the deadliest factor.
The ramifications always need consideration.
I stated I was not a supporter of HPA, that is all, if it passes and you benefit from it, good for you and others. I am not here to take it away, or stand in the way. I just stated I do not care for any of it.

 

[Milo 2.0]

Edit: Also I have my own range and I do everything by the books, I’m sure my neighbors would appreciate the HPA. Unlike smoking (which you can take outside as to not affect others) shooting does affect neighbors close to a range.

You actually irritated me here, so you have a range on your place and feel it bugs your neighbors. But yet you sit by and wish for the day HPA passes to solve the issues for yourself. When if you were that concerned you could have went the route hundreds of thousands of others did and just bought a suppressor and a tax stamp.

 

[Kramerica]

First, you are right to degree on criminal obtainment, but name one crime committed with a class 3 firearm. Tougher to get one than a revolver.
2nd, noise as an annoyance is a far cry from noise associated with hearing loss.

Off the top of my head I can’t name one. Tougher for sure. But IMO suppressors should not be categorized as such but we can agree to disagree there. It is America still after all. The noise being annoying to neighbors was just an example to show that they are not comparable to smothers or cigarettes. The noise absolutely can and will cause medical problems especially in hunting situations I hope you can at least see that. But I do understand your reasoning I just have a different opinion obviously. Hopefully this thread will stay civil and I’m not just talking to you here..

 

[Milo 2.0]

Off the top of my head I can’t name one. Tougher for sure. But IMO suppressors should not be categorized as such but we can agree to disagree there. It is America still after all. The noise being annoying to neighbors was just an example to show that they are not comparable to smothers or cigarettes. The noise absolutely can and will cause medical problems especially in hunting situations I hope you can at least see that. But I do understand your reasoning I just have a different opinion obviously. Hopefully this thread will stay civil and I’m not just talking to you here..

Civil it is, I'm not here to fight with you or any others. I said upfront, shoot a gun, protect yourselves, that one is easy.
Losing the tax stamp aspect of silencers IMO will never happen. No different than w/o an all out revolution will federal income tax ever vanish. Our government on the dole is the poster child for all welfare programs.

 

[pirate ammo]

Civil it is, I'm not here to fight with you or any others. I said upfront, shoot a gun, protect yourselves, that one is easy.
Losing the tax stamp aspect of silencers IMO will never happen. No different than w/o an all out revolution will federal income tax ever vanish. Our government on the dole is the poster child for all welfare programs.

like the man said, if the government is getting money from it, it's darn hard to change anything.as far as MY neighbors, and I'm talking about mine only, I don't give a rats butt
what they think about me, there all DEMONS,,blast the pigs,,come on down Milo, we'll BBQ and blow things up,,

 

[Milo 2.0]

come on down Milo, we'll BBQ and blow things up,,

Will I need hearing protection for that?

 

[pirate ammo]

Will I need hearing protection for that?

I can't hear a darn thing anyway so it don't matter,,

 

[Kramerica]

You actually irritated me here, so you have a range on your place and feel it bugs your neighbors. But yet you sit by and wish for the day HPA passes to solve the issues for yourself. When if you were that concerned you could have went the route hundreds of thousands of others did and just bought a suppressor and a tax stamp.

I can’t actually. I live in NY. They are not allowed. Or else I 100% would have went that route and got one.

 

[pirate ammo]

I can’t actually. I live in NY. They are not allowed. Or else I 100% would have went that route and got one.

the problem as I see it , is that you live in New York,,

 

[Kramerica]

the problem as I see it , is that you live in New York,,

Very much so. Probably the 2nd worst state to live in right behind California. I am the 4th generation on a family farm that’s been in the family for over 100 years. It’s a beautiful area I just have a hard time trying to wrap my head around leaving after everything that was put into this place.

 

[Westhunder]

I want to know why they are considered a firearm in the first place?!!! And why they can cash our check in less than a week but it takes almost a year to get approved for it, and then once the paper work come back, you still have to fill out a 4473 after your background check has been approved!!! It had the votes until the Senator Scalise shooting...and then Ryan.... nuff said.

 

[pirate ammo]

Very much so. Probably the 2nd worst state to live in right behind California. I am the 4th generation on a family farm that’s been in the family for over 100 years. It’s a beautiful area I just have a hard time trying to wrap my head around leaving after everything that was put into this place.

one piece of dirt is just like another, left Florida for Texas after being born and raised there,62 years worth,#1 blacksheep of my family and the only one that has a darn thing.
so pack it up and find higher ground, it worked for me.

 

[Milo 2.0]

I want to know why they are considered a firearm in the first place?!!! And why they can cash our check in less than a week but it takes almost a year to get approved for it, and then once the paper work come back, you still have to fill out a 4473 after your background check has been approved!!! It had the votes until the Senator Scalise shooting...and then Ryan.... nuff said.

Not nitpicking, they were never classified as a firearm, it is considered an NFA item. Therefore requiring a federal tax stamp. NFA being a law enacted in 1934.
The BATFE never really handles your payment, make no mistake, the money is theirs, but opening the envelope and cashing the checks is outsourced to a bank as far as I know. Then the forms are transferred to the BATFE and supposedly filed in order of receipt.
EDIT: My last 2 submissions, one a form 4, one a form 1(SBR) were mailed to separate addresses, approved one day apart by the same examiner. We all have our beefs with them, and no they are not going to miss lunch or work even 1 minute of overtime to approve you, but they are somewhat efficient, cough, cough. Most approvals fall into time frames associated with work load, and if one of yours was delayed for extended times, it was most likely in background checks because some clown with the same name somewhere is a dirt bag, lol

 

[pirate ammo]

with the same name somewhere is a dirt bag, lol

are you talking about my dirt,,

 

[Westhunder]

Not nitpicking, they were never classified as a firearm, it is considered an NFA item. Therefore requiring a federal tax stamp. NFA being a law enacted in 1934.
The BATFE never really handles your payment, make no mistake, the money is theirs, but opening the envelope and cashing the checks is outsourced to a bank as far as I know. Then the forms are transferred to the BATFE and supposedly filed in order of receipt.
EDIT: My last 2 submissions, one a form 4, one a form 1(SBR) were mailed to separate addresses, approved one day apart by the same examiner. We all have our beefs with them, and no they are not going to miss lunch or work even 1 minute of overtime to approve you, but they are somewhat efficient, cough, cough. Most approvals fall into time frames associated with work load, and if one of yours was delayed for extended times, it was most likely in background checks because some clown with the same name somewhere is a dirt bag, lol

then we need to stop filling out a 4473 for them! its the most bassackwards thing in the world! I did hear that e file was back up for form 1's I think, I have a couple in jail now....couple more weeks I think!

side note, the laws need to be updated and the process streamlined at the very least, the law has been relatively unchanged, if at all, since 1934, and its the same $200 now as it was then, can you imagine how much money $200 was back in 1934?!! I know this shouldn't be said... however $200 doesn't even cover the cost of the process. I don't care if they refund the stamps already paid, just take off the regulations on the items that we are allowed to have under the constitution of this country.

 

[Evan]

First, I have 8 tax stamps for silencers.
I have never agreed with HPA, and never remotely thought it stood a chance of passing.
We choose to shoot, our hearing is our responsibility. No one makes you shoot a gun, no one makes you subject yourself to gunfire. Shooting is on par with smoking, it's your choice.
But yet we ask for legislation to protect ourselves from ourselves. One more 20 oz soda law.
I was never sure how far HPA would have went as to what the requirements would have been, but that tax stamp and vetting process, and stiffer penalties, keeps class 3 items from the criminal element for now.
Is all HP 41(?) and the wishful thinking of HPA going through did was vapor lock the industry for 12 months. It stressed the heck out of the surviving companies, and bankrupted others.

My problem with that, is every Joe Blow that decides to suck a cigarette expects Medicare to cover his expensive health care that can be directly traced to his smoking at end of life. It's not simply choosing to do it. It's how that choice affects society as a whole. It's why your car has to be built to pass emissions, and your daily products can't contain poisons. Your choice is the problem. Hearing comes into the exact same boat. Hearing loss has massive costs associated. If you choose to go deaf by not using hearing protection, then you should have to pay for it, not your family and society but there's no fair way to do that so we have to restrict your liberty (choices) to ensure it isn't infringing on the millions of other people in this country.

 

[Evan]

....how much money $200 was back in 1934?!! .....

~$3700

 

[Puzzaz01]

I could care less about the $200, just give me my suppressors. If I'm legal to purchase a firearm with my enhanced concealed carry permit I should be legal to purchase a suppressor and walk out with it, and I'll still be willing to pay the tax stamp.

Darrin

 

[Evan]

I could care less about the $200, just give me my suppressors. If I'm legal to purchase a firearm with my enhanced concealed carry permit I should be legal to purchase a suppressor and walk out with it, and I'll still be willing to pay the tax stamp.

Darrin

Entirely agreed. As mentioned earlier, I'd personally pay more if needed. It shouldn't take 6 months, and it should be no different than a pistol or rifle.