Hazmat charge
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jxb
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hazmat is generally a fee for the shipment, regardless of weight. I think shippers have their charge, but seems some retailers charge differing amounts >= to the shippers fee. I generally look for a no hazmat special AND low shipping plus price. Cause end of the day the cost is exactly what it costs to my door, how they gimmick it up matters not at all. Kinda like when someone says free shipping, it's only free if you didn't have to pay anything for the product (out of pocket) for it, otherwise it's simply built into the price.
So whatever the hazmat fee is, you're certainly better off buying 8lbs vs 1lb, but same could be said for ordering 32lbs or 40lbs over 8lbs. The more you order the lower your hazmat is per unit. Same for primers, the more you order in the same shipment, the lower your hazmat and shipping is per primer.
So whatever the hazmat fee is, you're certainly better off buying 8lbs vs 1lb, but same could be said for ordering 32lbs or 40lbs over 8lbs. The more you order the lower your hazmat is per unit. Same for primers, the more you order in the same shipment, the lower your hazmat and shipping is per primer.
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Hazmat is just another way for the shipper to make money. Its just a piece of paper. One company I worked at shipped semi loads of hazmat stuff every day. There was NO EXTRA CHARGE. The trucker was handed a piece of paper that stated they type of hazmat and that was it.
Ask you UPS or FEDEX guy if he is hazmat certified. NONE of them are.
Ask you UPS or FEDEX guy if he is hazmat certified. NONE of them are.
hoz53
Gold $$ Contributor
most of the ones ive dealt with have a 32# limit on powder and no limit on primers you can put on same order. hazmat fees kind of saved me as prices have skyrocket in last years. i started buying bigger quantities of powder to spread out the hazmat fees before big price increases so i had more when prices went up. i did this after all the LGS closed up around here. i dont understand why i cant go to UPS hub and have them ship hazmat stuff.
It sure cost me money to have the hazmat certification of my commercial drivers license. We had to haul certain hazmat things a certain way. Some have to be packaged a certain way. Heres some reading for those who think theres no difference for hauling hazmat. I had to comply with it and I'm sure UPS does also
That piece of paper you refer is the shipping manifest. HazMat shipments require special handling and are subject to quantity limitations due to DOT shipping requirements. Both the shipper and the shipping agent incur addition cost associated with those requirements. These cost can include special packaging and load per vehicle restrictions. For. instance here is 49 CFR 173.171:
§ 173.171 Smokeless powder for small arms.
Smokeless powder for small arms which has been classed in Division 1.3 or Division 1.4 may be reclassed in Division 4.1, for domestic transportation by motor vehicle, rail car, vessel, or cargo-only aircraft, subject to the following conditions:(a) Powders that have been approved as Division 1.3C or Division 1.4C may be reclassed to Division 4.1 in accordance with §§ 173.56 and 173.58 of this part.
(b) The total quantity of smokeless powder may not exceed 45.4 kg (100 pounds) net mass in:
(1) One transport vehicle or cargo-only aircraft; or
(2) One freight container on a vessel, not to exceed four freight containers per vessel.
(c) Only combination packagings with inner packagings not exceeding 3.6 kg (8 pounds) net mass are authorized. Inner packagings must be arranged and protected so as to prevent simultaneous ignition of the contents. The complete package must be of the same type which has been examined as required in § 173.56 of this part.
(d) Inside packages that have been examined and approved by the Associate Administrator may be packaged in UN 4G fiberboard boxes meeting the Packing Group I performance level, provided all inside containers are packed to prevent shifting and the net weight of smokeless powder in any one box does not exceed 7.3 kg (16 pounds).
interesting in my opinion, that for years powder/primers, etc. needing hazmat have caused no direct reports of fire/explosions or at least not reported as such.
Yet in the last couple years explosions and fires have caused major damage/loss of ships, etc. by electric vehicle/batteries in shipments or storage. Do they require a hazmat, I do not believe so.
Yet in the last couple years explosions and fires have caused major damage/loss of ships, etc. by electric vehicle/batteries in shipments or storage. Do they require a hazmat, I do not believe so.
Yeah buddy! I just recertified my hazmat two weeks ago. Have to answer all the state questions correctly, FBI background check and fingerprints every four years. Cost me $180. I should say though that it cost my employer $180 which in turn cost you and I $180. What a pain in the arse. Last time I will have to do this, I am retiring from hazmat hauling in 23 months.
L.Sherm
Silver $$ Contributor
What i dont understand is when I worked in the oil patch in the U.S I was required to have a hazmat cert on my CDL to drive any tanker that was considered hazmat, why do the UPS- FedEx drivers don't have to have any kind of cert or placards displayed if there hauling something considered hazmat?
Most hazmat under 1001 pounds you do not have to have a CDL with hazmat. Some things such as poisons, 1.1 1.2 and 1.3 explosives and a few others require a placard and hazmat endorsement on your license.
dellet
Gold $$ Contributor
It’s the “limited quantities” designation. Almost all federal/state EPA regulations and enforcement are triggered by either quantity shipped, population base. Same reason you can only by 40 something pounds per order based on a 50 pound package limit.
Montana as an example was exempt from many water quality regulation enforcement due to a population of less than 1,000,000 people. California has none attainment areas exempt from emission inspections due to low population density. It’s kind of the dirty little secret loop hole.
Meanwhile the lithium battery fires on airlines gets ignored. Recent data shows 2 fires a week on average.
Nearly two lithium battery fires per week on airplanes in the US alone
According to FAA statistics, incidents has risen almost 400 percent for lithium battery fires on U.S. flights.
Yes, but no hazmat fee on 5000 pieces of loaded ammo...
Ranger188
Silver $$ Contributor
No, each company that ship hazmat can charge a different rate and the company that
sells you the item can charge you a different rate also. I've seen them lately anywhere
from $18-$50
This Hazmat charge is all the governments doing. Each shipping company has to have
separate paper work with each package, so they charge fee to account for this.
Extra employee(s) and time. The government can shut you down or fine if audited and fail.
UPS and Fed-Ex can only haul so much Hazmat in each trailer, so that's why
they don't need placards on trailers.
And yes, UPS drivers go through Hazmat training every year.
L.Sherm
Silver $$ Contributor
I believe that is the weight of the truck.
L.Sherm
Silver $$ Contributor
I would really like to know when shipment of powder and primers gets sent out on a CDL class truck if its placard for hazmat.
My old LGS i visited alot got his on a whole pallet at a time maybe more than one
L.Sherm
Silver $$ Contributor
Well evidently other shippers aren't look at post above I saw it with my own eyes.
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