Harrell's die question

[GentleBen]

I'm a little confused ... but just a bit.:,

If I order a Harrell's Brother's full length sizing die by sending in 3 fired cartridges, etc. ... how is it that I won't ever need a neck-sizing only die in the future. I realize that the bushings control the neck tension. But will I always be FL sizing/working my brass? How often would you size your brass with this die? How does this FL die serve the purpose of two dies?

I am guessing that the die is so close to my actual chamber, that any work done by the die on my shoulders and body will be minimal and will not affect the fireforming -- because it is already based on the fireforming?

 

[jb1000br]

FL every time, set the shoulder back ~1thou, you'll be GTG.

JB

 

[gemmellsc]

Ben,

I just shot the best group of my life on my second outing with my Harrel's FL die. I was using a Forster bump die for the first several firings, and then sent off my fired cases to Harrels. I'm bumping the shoulder just enough to feel slight resistance on the bolt at about 1/2 closed. Seems to be working so far... I'm using a Wilson Micro seater, and it feels like a very close match to the FL sized case. When I load a round the cartridge can be knocked out w/ a slight tap on the base. My three five shot groups measured .028', .168', and .267'. I'm sure the .028' was a fluke, but I'll take it any way I can get it. 88gr Berger FB .015' in lands, 30.5gr Varget, CCI 450s. Good luck w/ your Harrels.

P.S. I think we've talked before on the Savage forum? Bought a scope from you over there I think.

Take Care,
Bill

 

[GentleBen]

Yep, Bill, we sure did. The deal went down great. I sold two scopes, though, which was it -- the Leupold. In fact, I might sell another before too long,a 6.5-20 in Leupold or Monarch, not sure yet).

What was the distance on your groups? If those were 200 or over, well, you scare me. Sounds like the Harrell's is surely the way to go. But I think I will stick with the Redding Competition seater.

 

[Preacher]

The Harrells is not a one size fits all die, it is matched closely to your chamber and will size your brass just enough to enter the chamber with no problems. They do not work your brass hardly at all, and it should be used every time. No need for any other sizing die but that one. The Wilson will give up better accuracy than the Redding die will...

 

[GentleBen]

Preacher

By the Wilson die giving up better accuracy than the Redding, you are, in that case, talking about the bullet seater die, right?

Do you use an arbor press -- I'm just trying to get around the idea of having my Harrell's sizing die on my T-7 press and then having to buy a Sinclair arbor press to seat my bullets. Was trying to keep it in all on the same press.

Other than an arbor press, I guess the only alternative is a mallet, right?

 

[eggman]

For match rounds I like to use a Wilson seater using a K&M press with a strain Gage to measure seating pressure and seat the bullets just a little long then finish using a good comp. type seater to exact seating depth . I feel like the Wilson is more precise concentrically plus it allows you to measure seating pressure and segregate accordingly then the competition seater dies seat precisely depth wise. Just another step and another way to skin a cat.

Rodney