H1000 in 6.5X284
- Thread starter Rtheurer
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When I shot the 6.5 x 284, I was using the 140 Hybrid. I also was using 54.7grs of H1000. I was getting 3030f.p.s. with 10-12E.S.'s.. My buddy was using 55.5grs and he was getting right at 3100. Personally, I believe that H1000 is THE PERFECT powder for the 6.5 x 284.. And it won't destroy primer pockets with either of those loads.
Rtheurer said:
I was using 1K neck tension.. I also found out that SEATING DEPTH was of great importance to tightening up my E.S.'s.. H4831 was excellent in the accuracy department, however, if you tried to get the velocity that H1000 will give you, you WILL open up the primer pockets.. Try 1K neck tension and vary the seating depth AFTER you find a good charge node.. My guess is you will find that somewhere between 54.5 and 55.5 will give you what you are looking for. Go in 2tenths gr increments..
Try VV165 it worked great in mine. When I first started load development in mine I had some IMR 4831 and H4831 142 SMKs and 140 Amaxs, I would never have guested but the IMR and Amaxs made the best groups. Several years later it tried the VV165 and 140 bergers, I think its the best powder for a 6.5-284.
Tom Myers used to run N165. Have not tried it yet however. Dang V powders are quite high in cost right now.
So something real weird happened yesterday. The loads I shot on Tuesday that had some real high Velocity where more in line with what ALF showed when I re shot them on Wed. Everything was the same. I really think my Chronograph which has been rock solid since new was giving me some fits on Tuesday, I have a brand new battery in it so its not that. Real strange.
Anyway none of the H1000 loads shot well yesterday. I had loaded up some loads that I have used for years in my Chamber ( my own reamer). 52.01gr of H4831 SC, Bam! ten shots-1/2 MOA at 600 yards with no tweeking what so ever. Both 142's and 140 Hybid's.
I have run out of time to mess with H1000 so Ill just load my old stand by and go into the season with that. I really wanted to run a lower BTU powder one season to see if the barrel life would be longer. Guess that is not going to happen this season.
Russ T
So something real weird happened yesterday. The loads I shot on Tuesday that had some real high Velocity where more in line with what ALF showed when I re shot them on Wed. Everything was the same. I really think my Chronograph which has been rock solid since new was giving me some fits on Tuesday, I have a brand new battery in it so its not that. Real strange.
Anyway none of the H1000 loads shot well yesterday. I had loaded up some loads that I have used for years in my Chamber ( my own reamer). 52.01gr of H4831 SC, Bam! ten shots-1/2 MOA at 600 yards with no tweeking what so ever. Both 142's and 140 Hybid's.
I have run out of time to mess with H1000 so Ill just load my old stand by and go into the season with that. I really wanted to run a lower BTU powder one season to see if the barrel life would be longer. Guess that is not going to happen this season.
Russ T
alf
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All my testing was from over 10 years ago with my first 6.5-284 1K BR gun. Foolishly, I was chasing small ES's, and burnt up over a third of my barrel.
Powders tested were H-4831, H-4831-SC, H-1000, R-19, R-22, R-25, IMR 7828, H-4350, Ramshot Magnum, and VV-165. Also tried 210's, 215's, BR-4's, and 9 1/2's with 140 VLD's and 142 SMK's, and multiple seating depths, all shot over my Oehler 33.
I finally stopped the nonsense and ordered 48 pounds of H-4831-SC, and shot that with 210's and 142 SMK's at 3075.
Powders tested were H-4831, H-4831-SC, H-1000, R-19, R-22, R-25, IMR 7828, H-4350, Ramshot Magnum, and VV-165. Also tried 210's, 215's, BR-4's, and 9 1/2's with 140 VLD's and 142 SMK's, and multiple seating depths, all shot over my Oehler 33.
I finally stopped the nonsense and ordered 48 pounds of H-4831-SC, and shot that with 210's and 142 SMK's at 3075.
Yep talked to some other guys who gave up on H1000 in the 6.5X284 as well today. They said don't bother. You cant get the ES down far enough to make it a viable 1000 yard set up. Oh well.
Race Snake
I shot the same load at 600 yards and shot a 200 15X. Took it to 1000 yards and it would hardly hold the 9 ring. ES is just to big.
Race Snake
I shot the same load at 600 yards and shot a 200 15X. Took it to 1000 yards and it would hardly hold the 9 ring. ES is just to big.
Pretty much burned up my first barrel load testing. H4831, H4350 and RL-22 were pretty much the best with a 139 Scenar, CCI primer.
Ultimately settled on H4350, seated into the lands as giving the best ES/SD numbers at 2945 FPS over my chrono, also quite accurate. Still, H4350 is a touch fast for the 6.5 X 284 but in my rifle at least it works.
Given the barrel life, if you find something that works, leave it at that and practice. Once you have a load, practice will lower scores more than load development.
Ultimately settled on H4350, seated into the lands as giving the best ES/SD numbers at 2945 FPS over my chrono, also quite accurate. Still, H4350 is a touch fast for the 6.5 X 284 but in my rifle at least it works.
Given the barrel life, if you find something that works, leave it at that and practice. Once you have a load, practice will lower scores more than load development.
Don't think Im to worried about more practice and less testing as I hold Several national Records and a couple National Championship trophies as well.. 
Just wanted to try H1000 as it seemed to be a good fit for the case size. Kinda had my finger's crossed that it would work. some times it seems a powder that should work just don't. Been shooting this case since 1999 or there abouts. Have gone through a barrel or three like most folks, too bad the lower BTU powder does not seem to hold together like I was hopeing it would. Oh well it was worth a try.
Im back to h4831sc AND its shooting just fine. Shot it sunday in a 3X1000 yard match to confirm. 140Hybrids at 2965fps.
RT
Just wanted to try H1000 as it seemed to be a good fit for the case size. Kinda had my finger's crossed that it would work. some times it seems a powder that should work just don't. Been shooting this case since 1999 or there abouts. Have gone through a barrel or three like most folks, too bad the lower BTU powder does not seem to hold together like I was hopeing it would. Oh well it was worth a try.
Im back to h4831sc AND its shooting just fine. Shot it sunday in a 3X1000 yard match to confirm. 140Hybrids at 2965fps.
RT
Rtheurer said:Don't think Im to worried about more practice and less testing as I hold Several national Records and a couple National Championship trophies as well..
Just wanted to try H1000 as it seemed to be a good fit for the case size. Kinda had my finger's crossed that it would work. some times it seems a powder that should work just don't. Been shooting this case since 1999 or there abouts. Have gone through a barrel or three like most folks, too bad the lower BTU powder does not seem to hold together like I was hopeing it would. Oh well it was worth a try.
Im back to h4831sc AND its shooting just fine. Shot it sunday in a 3X1000 yard match to confirm. 140Hybrids at 2965fps.
RT
To be honest Russ, I am quite surprised that it won't shoot. Yours is the first gun I have run into that won't shoot it. You won't go wrong with H4831, I am just "wow-ed" that yours won't shoot the H1000.. There is NEVER a guarantee with ANYTHING involving rifles though! I have a Dasher that is pretty dang finicky and they should not be! Oh well! Rifles are what they are! Gotta love'em though!
TZaun
Gold $$ Contributor
I've been trying to use the H1000 with the 155 Cauterucios. Just not quite happy with it. After reading Russ's experience with it I can see my results are similar. I have a jug of IMR 7977 that I just picked up but I cannot find any data for it. Wouldn't you think that I could safely start at 52 gr. and work up from there? I had been up to 57 gr. of H1000 without any pressure signs and they have similar burn rates.
I have never tried Bob's 155's.. I know he states that a 1-8 will handle them. That may in fact be true. However, I am wondering if a 1-7.5 or 1-7.75 might not be a bit better. I always was a "faster" twist guy and the more I shoot these L-O-N-G competition style bullets, the bigger believer I am in using a faster twist. To answer your question about the new IMR powder(s), I can not comment. BUT if it is in the same burn rate range, you should be able to start at say 54.5grs and slowly work your way up til you start getting pressure signs. I do think that IMR hit a home-run with these powders. We just have to give them a chance! Having said that, I am so full of "regular" powders at the moment, trying something new is going to be a ways off!
I want to try some of Bob's 155's. They could be just the ticket for L/R 6.5 cartridges.
I want to try some of Bob's 155's. They could be just the ticket for L/R 6.5 cartridges.
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