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Gun confiscation in LA today.

bobm

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What I can't believe is that they just pile them up like scrap. Don't ever treat my guns like that, I'll have a fit and a half. I would think they'd have to be responsible for condition until this got through the court system and then could do what ever once a conviction was handed down. Sorry for the rant, but I take real good care of my stuff. BTW nice collection.
 
The number of high end Colts is breathtaking! They all look brand new. I could not see any scars or signs of usage. Many with tags still on them. What a cache!!
 
Not really confiscation folks. Kinda shock jock news from a bling a ding site. Just the law keeping us safe from the Beverly Hill Billys.
 
I've seen some real nice guns seized by LE stored in a safe prior to being destroyed. Pythons, Colt SAs, older Winchesters, Citori shotguns, in new condition to really trashed out.

Lots of guns and this was only one place, God knows how much LE agencies are sitting on and have destroyed over the years.
 
jwink said:
What I can't believe is that they just pile them up like scrap. Don't ever treat my guns like that, I'll have a fit and a half. I would think they'd have to be responsible for condition until this got through the court system and then could do what ever once a conviction was handed down. Sorry for the rant, but I take real good care of my stuff. BTW nice collection.
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I wouldn't get too upset over that. Just going by the information that we have, it was a criminal enterprise. Who cares how they piled up the guns. This isn't about some decent citizen who used a gun to defend himself.
 
I don't like seeing high end guns stacked up like cord wood any more than anyone else and I really hate to see them taken out of circulation but it's people like this that give us good gun owners a black eye. If this actually was a criminal gun ring of some sort, I hope they lock up whoever was involved for a very long time and get the guns back to the rightful owners ASAP.
 
@Mark W

Benchmade was doing a service free of charge for the local PD. Law enforcement must pay out of department budgets to destroy old evidence. Most of the time, it has to be done by a third party for accountability reasons.
 
mongo chicago said:
I wouldn't get too upset over that. Just going by the information that we have, it was a criminal enterprise. Who cares how they piled up the guns. This isn't about some decent citizen who used a gun to defend himself.
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From the news report I read, that party was making and also selling guns illegally, even though he must have been selling some legally. So he had the raid and confiscation of all the weapons found at the property taken.
served him, right if he is just another criminal living in a very high class area. Who know how much money he was raking in with a illegal firearm business.
 
I've no idea what happened here, as stories like this are often misrepresented. Purposefully? You decide.
Anyway, sounds like someone turned a resident of the address in to the ATF for allegedly illegally manufacturing and selling firearms, to gang members. One person in custody.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Is there a firearm possession limit in Southern California? Why sieze the firearms before anyone is even charged with a crime? What evidence did they have for a search warrant, or does the ATF not need one? I suspect not if they decided to raid an FFL holder based on an unconfirmed accusation.
Sieze first, ask questions later? Pile the property up hap hazardly like so much scrap lumber? Yes, it looks like a lot of firearms, but was a crime actually committed?

This doesn't easily pass the sniff test. We shall see in the coming weeks . I've got a couple of cases of .22LR around. Ten thousand rounds??!! Yeah. Sounds ridiculous until you think about it a bit.
 
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Why sieze the firearms before anyone is even charged with a crime? What evidence did they have for a search warrant, or does the ATF not need one? I suspect not if they decided to raid an FFL holder based on an unconfirmed accusation.
Sieze first, ask questions later? Pile the property up hap hazardly like so much scrap lumber? Yes, it looks like a lot of firearms, but was a crime actually committed?

The evidence is seized when you get arrested. Usually charges come within a few hours although I think there is a "grace" period of either 24 to 48 hrs. They are going to charge him with something, they are just crossing the t-s and dotting the i-s. The evidence has a "chain of custody". This basically means that the evidence has to be logged & tract from the time of the arrest or discovery. Waiting would give time for evidence to be tampered with or even destroyed. Remember Hillary Clinton? If he was selling stolen guns, the criminals usually don't keep them in "collectable" condition anyway.
 
Seeing these photos of the way guns can be treated {make no mistake, it gets worse} should be a warning to everyone here. I have many LEO friends and the one thing they all say is to take and keep good up close photos that show the condition of your guns with the serial number in plain readable sight. This is for several reasons, but the biggest one is that if you suffer a loss you can at least present evidence in court later or to your insurance company what you had and it's condition.
As to taking the guns before anyone is charged...that could be for several reasons, one is that they probably expect charges to be filed and knew this before the raid. Another is that they for sure don't want to take the owner and leave that many guns unattended {I doubt the guy had a safe secure way to keep that many on the premises} for the locals to loot.
The agency that does the confiscation is responsible for the safe keeping of the items while they are in possession. We had a dope dealer get busted while he was building his new "mansion". The local sheriffs dept took several truckloads of building materials and put it all in their compound. The cat got 10 years and did every day of it. When he got out there was a few boards left of what would have built a 7000 square foot house. He sued and won and my tax dollars had to pay for several deputies new decks and such. The deputies involved were fired, they just figured they could help themselves and he wouldn't care after all that time. They were wrong.
 
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