Got 2 Shots Of Moderna & Tested Positive Today

[jackieschmidt]

According to medical journal reports, the level of protection one gets from prior infection is far less than what is provided by the vaccines and the "immunity" wears off faster too. Evidence is from those who've reported having Covid more than once (like reported in this very thread), AND . . . whatever "immunity" one might get (there's a wide variance of "immunity" between various people) from having Covid, let's keep in mind that doesn't mean one can't spread the disease to others any different than those who've been inoculated.

Opinions vary.

Does SARS-CoV-2 natural infection immunity better protect against the Delta variant than vaccination?

A new study from Israel suggests immunity gained after recovering from a previous COVID-19 infection is more protective against the new Delta variant than vaccine-induced immunity. Natural immunity was estimated to be about 13 times stronger than having two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

www.news-medical.net

I guess many of us who have had both Covid and the Vaccine are in pretty good shape as it pertains to the various offshoots.

 

[Murray Brook]

And in the mean time, China seems to be skating free after they unleashed a virus that has killed millions and caused economic catastrophes throughout the planet.

I have never been much of a conspiracy pawn, but I truly believe the Chinese were trying to weaponize a virus for military purposes and it got out.

What do you call it when your actions result in the deaths of millions?

My wife and I had Covid, and have had both shots.

I agree with this. Probably why they came down so hard on the doctor that first brought the virus to public attention.

 

[potatojudge]

Opinions vary.

Does SARS-CoV-2 natural infection immunity better protect against the Delta variant than vaccination?

A new study from Israel suggests immunity gained after recovering from a previous COVID-19 infection is more protective against the new Delta variant than vaccine-induced immunity. Natural immunity was estimated to be about 13 times stronger than having two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

www.news-medical.net

I guess many of us who have had both Covid and the Vaccine are in pretty good shape as it pertains to the various offshoots.

I did an in depth critique of this paper on behalf of a friend recently.

Best estimates are that only 1/4 cases of COVID are tested and recorded.

The study linked, which isn't peer reviewed or published, uses a database that draws from PCR positive testing. There was no method, due to study design, to determine if a person was actually COVID naiveté. 3/4 of cases are never documented with PCR. Their baseline assumption that there were COVID naiveté patients in any group is flawed. For that reason, only their "Model 3" is meaningful. This is the group showing that vaccine+natural immunity is better than natural immunity alone. The study was underpowered to determine if that remained true for the delta variant.

These database reviews are very crude tools, typically used to guide additional higher quality studies rather than to inform clinical decision making.

That said, it makes good biological sense that natural + vaccine immunity gives the most robust protection. Bad news is that both wane, and getting a booster for natural immunity is no fun!

 

[bainp]

And in the mean time, China seems to be skating free after they unleashed a virus that has killed millions and caused economic catastrophes throughout the planet.

I don't think China will be publishing the true numbers of Covid cases they have. Like everything in China - all is controlled. if they are embarrassed by the numbers, they just keep it hidden.

 

[SGK]

As far the vaccine goes I’m one who believes that the choice should be yours, not the government’s. Many of my friends disagree and that’s ok but I strongly believe in personal freedom to make that choice.

Just remember it isn't a choice pertaining just to you. Choosing to not be vaccinated can have ramifications for many others. The most obvious one is the massive amount of expensive healthcare resources unvaccinated people are consuming now which in some places has placed a strain so great it is impacting the level of care available to others (for non-Covid health issues). Secondly, of course if you get ill you can place a strain on relatives, loved ones and workmates. (God forbid you die and cause immense grief.) You risk infecting and, as a result, causing harm to others around you. Lastly, and by no means least, the more people that are unvaccinated the greater potential for the virus to mutate into a strain against which current vaccinations aren't effective. Then the merry-go-round kicks off again. It simply isn't a "personal choice". Go get. No excuses.

 

[tsyarnall]

I can’t remember for sure where the report came from, but very likely NewsMax or The Epoch Times. In mid-summer of last year, when all of the flooding in China (in and around the Wuhan region) was taking place, it was reported that about 21 million fewer cell phones were in use in that region. The report said that this was before the flooding started and they were trying to link it to COVID-19 deaths. I don’t know how accurate or to the veracity of the reports, but like just said, China tries to restrict any information to other countries. I’d be interested in knowing if the data still holds true.

 

[SEGARE]

I didn't read the whole thread, but those of you that refuse the shot need to at least prepare your will. I lost a friend yesterday to this virus. He was a non-vaxxer and spent two months on a vent. He left a wonderful wife to move forward without him. I also have a first cousin who is a staunch anti-vaxxer. His wife is a respiratory therapist. They put him on the vent Tues and it will be a miracle if he comes off.
As to whether or not the vaccine works, I have a couple of close friends who are in the medical field and work in the ICU. They keep me apprised of the facts of who they are treating and who is dying. Their anecdotal testimonies is enough to make anyone with any sense roll up their sleeve.

 

[D Coots]

677,017 have died Stateside up to last full day's count, 67,100 in California, according to the international statistics I rely on. And that CA figure alone for COVID is higher than the average number of flu deaths recorded in the US over the last 10 years.

Too bad the numbers are swayed. People would probably believe the truth.

 

[10XSHOOTER]

I am 67 yoa, pre diabetic. No other health issues. I will not take their vax. But I do take Zinc and Vitamin D every day. I was told by a PA when this stuff started to take the zinc and vit D. I have been tested several times and I'm negative for everything about the covid. Maybe my times coming? As long as "Bitme" keeps pushing I'll resist!

 

[Kracken McGraw]

So far in this thread the people that have chosen on their own free will to not take this vaccine have been called ignorant, dumb and have no sense. Real nice of y’all to treat your fellow Americans this way, when this is supposed to be the land of the free.

 

[Straightshooter1]

So far in this thread the people that have chosen on their own free will to not take this vaccine have been called ignorant, dumb and have no sense. Real nice of y’all to treat your fellow Americans this way, when this is supposed to be the land of the free.

Having listened to a lot of people who choose not to take the vaccine, it has nothing to do with intelligence or level of education. But the motivation I hear that tends to drive such decisions has much to do with anger and fear.

. . . and not everybody makes decisions based on reason alone, though some think they do. The advertising industry knows this very well.

 

[nakneker]

Just remember it isn't a choice pertaining just to you. Choosing to not be vaccinated can have ramifications for many others. The most obvious one is the massive amount of expensive healthcare resources unvaccinated people are consuming now which in some places has placed a strain so great it is impacting the level of care available to others (for non-Covid health issues). Secondly, of course if you get ill you can place a strain on relatives, loved ones and workmates. (God forbid you die and cause immense grief.) You risk infecting and, as a result, causing harm to others around you. Lastly, and by no means least, the more people that are unvaccinated the greater potential for the virus to mutate into a strain against which current vaccinations aren't effective. Then the merry-go-round kicks off again. It simply isn't a "personal choice". Go get. No excuses.

I agree with much of that, I also don't think it changes the fact that it should be a personal choice.

 

[SEGARE]

So far in this thread the people that have chosen on their own free will to not take this vaccine have been called ignorant, dumb and have no sense. Real nice of y’all to treat your fellow Americans this way, when this is supposed to be the land of the free.

But this was (thankfully) Trumps vaccine.

 

[drop_point]

I worked in a COVID ICU from March 2020 through Feb 2021 when it was closed down due to lack of cases. November 2020, we peaked and where overwhelmed. We did run out of vents. We did have to ration care. We had a couple come in that both needed a ventilator, but we had only one. Neither wanted to be ventilated unless they both were. We watched them pass away. The "safe" ICU patient ratio is 1.5:1 according to the research. That is in conditions which you don't have to don PPE before entering a room. Many days I had a 5:1 ratio. November sucked

I remember the excitement of the vaccines coming out. I did read the Moderna Phase 3 clinical trial, all 144 pages of it, back in December because that is what was being sent to us. We'd hoped it would be a savior. I noticed there was some funny business with their control group contracting COVID at twice the rate of the general population during the same period. That could potentially be explained, but they chose not to acknowledge it anywhere in the paper. That tells me it was intentional.

As things have progressed, I now work in an emergency care setting. The specific population which I work with has been highly compliant with the vaccines at 70% vaccination rate. While that does skew the numbers, I'm seeing 3/4 hospitalizations from vaccinated people including the only severe case I've seen with "DELTA".

As far as safety of the vaccine, I know what numbers the CDC is telling us, but I do not feel personally inclined to receive these vaccines because I'm low-risk for a severe case. I haven't seen my supervisor suffer an auto-immune response which is causing his kidneys to attack their own cells, putting him into renal failure. They have his kidneys functioning again, but he's told there is a 67% chance medications will only work temporarily. If that happens, the treatment is chemotherapy.

Additionally, I have had COVID twice. The first time January 2020. The second time August 2021. I've read some studies suggest natural antibodies last 18 months. I believe it. Meanwhile the vaccine antibodies are lasting for a much shorter time-frame. COVID hasn't been that bad personally, so I see little reason to take the risk. All of my colleagues that were vaccinated early on who had already contracted COVID got as sick from the vaccine, if not more so, than they did from actual COVID.

I am not suggesting you as an individual reading this should or should not take the vaccine. It is a personal decision. If I had high-risk comorbidities, I would be more likely to consider it. However, now that it has been "mandated," by our resident in chief, there is no way in hell I will take it. You'd have to KILL me first. This is obvious overreach; it is TYRANNY. If I had my way, there would be mass protests and walkouts. Our founders are rolling over in their graves.

-a COVID ICU RN

 

[drop_point]

Now show the one where it shows the percentage of each on a vent drowning in their own secretions.


2 weeks ago the ICU at my hospital, the average covid death was 35 years old. 2-3/day. Happens enough where you don’t even break conversation when code blue is called overhead

If the population has a high vaccination rate, then of course the number infected is high. Vaccine keeps you away from me doing the PVC challenge on you and flipping you onto your stomach on a vent (proning).

Think about it like this: RSV can absolutely kill a kid. I’ve seen it. It doesn’t hurt older people, however. Why? Because we have seen it over and over and over again until our bodies readily fight it off. So, natural vaccine (antibodies). Are the antibodies made when you actually contract and recover from covid better/longer lasting? Maybe. I have not looked into enough studies. Are the antibodies made from receiving the vaccine good enough to keep you off a ventilator? Absolutely.

And yes, the monoclonal antibodies are pretty banging.

Also, I just had shot #3, 8 months to the day after my 2nd. No clue how high antibodies were. Don’t care. Doesn’t matter. Never caught it somehow before my first vaccine in December. That’s the only time I had antibodies drawn and I was negative. I work in the literal soup of covid.

What is interesting is that we are having to swab everyone that is admitted just to know if the floors have to grown up and stuff. Some of these positives are coming from folks from incidental findings… like, paw paw got his vaccines in April and today he fell and has a broken wrist. Chest X-Ray good, paw paw isn’t coughing and his oxygen is great, sitting in bed watching the weather channel on room air. Absolutely asymptomatic. Now he’s got real (natural) antibodies and never even knew that he had covid.

Funny you bring up RSV. A trend we've been noticing is the large number of cases of symptomatic RSV in adult populations. We've had a noted number of people coming in believing they have COVID that turns out to be RSV. One study I read was the vaccines drastically reduce killer T-cells in a certain percentage of vaccine recipients, making them more susceptible to respiratory viruses. We saw one 30 something with no comorbidities present with high fever, cough, and O2 saturation of less than 90% from RSV! That is unheard of! It seems to be not a day has gone by without at least one case of symptomatic adult RSV.

 

[drop_point]

According to medical journal reports, the level of protection one gets from prior infection is far less than what is provided by the vaccines and the "immunity" wears off faster too. Evidence is from those who've reported having Covid more than once (like reported in this very thread), AND . . . whatever "immunity" one might get (there's a wide variance of "immunity" between various people) from having Covid, let's keep in mind that doesn't mean one can't spread the disease to others any different than those who've been inoculated.

This is up for debate. Even Fauci said yesterday that there is no evidence that vaccination provides better immunity than naturally-produced antibodies.

 

[drop_point]

So far in this thread the people that have chosen on their own free will to not take this vaccine have been called ignorant, dumb and have no sense. Real nice of y’all to treat your fellow Americans this way, when this is supposed to be the land of the free.

Isn't it sad? This is why we will lose our republic.

 

[drop_point]

Just remember it isn't a choice pertaining just to you. Choosing to not be vaccinated can have ramifications for many others. The most obvious one is the massive amount of expensive healthcare resources unvaccinated people are consuming now which in some places has placed a strain so great it is impacting the level of care available to others (for non-Covid health issues). Secondly, of course if you get ill you can place a strain on relatives, loved ones and workmates. (God forbid you die and cause immense grief.) You risk infecting and, as a result, causing harm to others around you. Lastly, and by no means least, the more people that are unvaccinated the greater potential for the virus to mutate into a strain against which current vaccinations aren't effective. Then the merry-go-round kicks off again. It simply isn't a "personal choice". Go get. No excuses.

I suppose you'd also brow-beat the obese? Smokers? Shooters because their hobby exposes them to breathing lead? Any who decides to indulge in a nightly scotch? Those that choose to drive a vehicle without the highest safety rating? That slope you're on is awfully slippery...that high horse may take you down with it.

SGK, I will make my own decisions. FULL STOP. It is absolutely a personal choice. PERIOD. I know some don't like personal liberty, but you're going to have to learn to deal with it.

 

[potatojudge]

As things have progressed, I now work in an emergency care setting. The specific population which I work with has been highly compliant with the vaccines at 70% vaccination rate. While that does skew the numbers, I'm seeing 3/4 hospitalizations from vaccinated people including the only severe case I've seen with "DELTA".

All the physicians I know are seeing 90% or more of the hospitalizations in the unvaccinated. My local numbers range from 93-98% unvaccinated for hospital admissions depending on the time frame. My specific population, 96% of the hospitalized patients are unvaccinated.

We see reinfections around 3 months, so "data" saying 18 months doesn't carry a lot of weight when relying solely on post-exposure immunity when you can see a thing with your own eyes. My two bouts with COVID were well under 18 months apart.

- a physician, who spent his Saturday night taking care of, and operating on, COVID patients


PS: When the informed know the government lies, the media lies, Pharma lies, insurance companies lie, at times even health care workers lie, AND are exposed to a massive misinformation campaign, that doesn't make you stupid for not trusting the vaccine. It makes you a victim of mistrust and misinformation. Maybe it will help to see the vaccines we developed as defense against China's weaponized virus to preserve our population, economy, and our military strength. Don't let China win!

 

[drop_point]

All the physicians I know are seeing 90% or more of the hospitalizations in the unvaccinated. My local numbers range from 93-98% unvaccinated for hospital admissions depending on the time frame. My specific population, 96% of the hospitalized patients are unvaccinated.

We see reinfections around 3 months, so "data" saying 18 months doesn't carry a lot of weight when relying solely on post-exposure immunity when you can see a thing with your own eyes. My two bouts with COVID were well under 18 months apart.

- a physician, who spent his Saturday night taking care of, and operating on, COVID patients


PS: When the informed know the government lies, the media lies, Pharma lies, insurance companies lie, at times even health care workers lie, AND are exposed to a massive misinformation campaign, that doesn't make you stupid for not trusting the vaccine. It makes you a victim of mistrust and misinformation. Maybe it will help to see the vaccines we developed as defense against China's weaponized virus to preserve our population, economy, and our military strength. Don't let China win!

Cute that you closed your post in the same manner I did. Not sure if you're being condescending or you're simply unoriginal?

What is your AO? What forms of operations were you doing on COVID patients this fine Saturday night? Trachs and PEGs? Lines? Intensivists tend to do that at the beside here. Early on, we couldn't get a surgeon to see our COVID patients.

We haven't seen anywhere near those numbers of unvaccinated admissions here, nor any of my colleagues at other facilities in the area. I have a family member who is an ICU physician that stated they were seeing 70%ish unvaccinated in their ICU. Which makes sense, as there is around 30% vaccinated in the area. She does have stories of a few unvaccinated obese young people passing. Hardly overwhelming numbers right now...its mostly been a staffing shortage causing problems.

The facility I worked in wouldn't replenish our PPE. I used the same N95 for over six months with it being "serviced" at the facility. After I realized my N95 was useless due to their refusal to replenish stock for staff, I grew my beard back out. I also made multiple trips into rooms to code patients without having time to don PPE. I didn't personally come down with COVID that entire time. Colleagues that were sick in January were blood donors in DEC 2020 and STILL had sufficient antibodies for donation. I'm pretty confident it wasn't PPE that "protected" me from Jan 2020 to Aug 2021 being in on more intubations than I can count and more codes than I can imagine without PPE than I can count.

At the same time, I saw a patient that had COVID in 2020, was vaccinated in Feb/March 2021, had COVID in June, then again in August. There is no rhyme or reason. That is the reason of distrust of the medical and scientific community; rather than admit they do not know, they make it up as they go along or use weak research. Remember the redacting of mask studies for respiratory viruses mid-summer 2020?

I am also spending my Saturday night, now Sunday morning working. Fortunately, our cases have dropped off. Only one positive tonight. I appreciate you trying to reframe the narrative in a way which you believe is right, but now that there is a "mandate" I will dig my heels in even deeper. I don't play their games. I value liberty among all else and won't comply just to prove the point. Was it, "give me liberty or give me death...unless there is a nasty bug with a 99.5% survival rate going around"?. All these people are doing is further dividing the nation.