The 215 Berger followed by the 230 Berger, don't use anything else anymore from 308 win to 300 RUM! The Accubond I respect but in the 30 cal I will only shoot the 200 gr, the 180 does not have the sand in it's shorts and if you hit elk in the shoulder you'll have a percentage not penetrate the chest. I shot Barnes for a good number of years in a 300 WBY, a 165/168 TSX is NOT a bullet for elk unless you like chasing a percentage of them, Barnes make a great deer bullets for 30 cal but nothing I'll shoot elk with anymore, got better things to do that shoot elk repeatedly hoping one will stay on track through the vitals!!