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7-08 as a hunting cartridge

any one not recommending the 7-08 as a hunting round just isnt looking at the data, 7x57, has taken game all over the world and the 7-08 is equal or better load with more accurcy.

i have taken white tail, mule, with 140 sierra and noslers and friends have taken elk at 275 with the 140 rem factory rounds

good round

Bob
 
The positive 7mm-08 replies are telling you the straight stuff. Questions like this always get biased responses both ways. My first and long-term Wyoming resident hunting rifle was a 7mm-06. I had it reamed that way so I could use up my mountain of surplus '06 brass. I used 139 gr. Hornady's, the regular old spire points. The standard load grouped well, and trajectory to 300 yds. was fine. Managed to harvest 37 elk, and I dunno how many antelope and deer with it. The kicker - when I got a chronograph a couple years ago, those loads were running about 2875 fps, or about 100 fps LESS than many get out of the 7mm-08!! The elk shot at longer ranges showed that the cup and core bullets opened up just fine at those distances and velocities. I believe that the bullet selection today would point to the 7mm for you. Smaller framed people with recoil sensitivity shooting a light rifle will appreciate the 7mm-08 as well, as there are some 120 gr. bullets like the Nosler BT which work fine on deer and recoil much less than the .308. That is the exact description of my wife's new rifle.
 
Great little cartridge!

I like the whole .308 family of short-action cartridges: .243, .260, 7mm-08, .308 & .358 - they're very good, sensible, easy-shooting cartridges that deliver without a lot of fuss and muss.

Besides, last I checked, elk aren't bulletproof...
 
I have two 7mm-08s and just bought a third over the telephone yesterday.
I bought my wife a browning a-bolt, shoots excellent! so well in fact that she took her first black bear with it a couple of weeks ago. 170 yards 1 shot instant kill,139 hornady interlocks with a mild load of Imr-4350 2650fps.It has taken several deer and I anticipate it will take her first elk this fall.I like it so well I decided it was stupid to pack two types of ammo so I bought a Tikka T3 in 7mm-08 for myself and a thompson encore 15" pistol also in same caliber. So the wife and I are 7mm-08ed up :) With that being said I know where Otter and Kenny474 are coming from, elk are massive and extremely tough animals. I totally agree with Kenny, I like to break them down in the front shoulders,then even if there not dead they don't go anywhere!!! and you can finnish them off,animal found,meat in the freezer! The 7mm-08 WILL NOT DO THIS WITH ANY BULLET COMBONATION PERIOD there is simply not enough horsepower!!with that being said shot placement @ a distance that the bullet will reliably expand is esential for a ethical 1 shot kill. There are signs all over our highway systems that say drink resposably,there need to be signs on our back roads that reads.
HUNT RESPOSABLY!!!! Thats All.
Wayne.
 
There is either never enought room or enough thought process to get your point across in just one post ??? To the op question, Yes imo a 7mm-08 will reliably take mule deer @ 400+ yards and with the right driver 300or- on elk.
I have taken deer @ a little over 600yards with a .243 and over 400 with a .308 so I see no reason a 7mm-08 wouldn't cleanly take deer @ 400 or less.I have only taken a few elk with the little .243 and they were all 100 yard or less but were all clean kills. I told my wife 200 yards on a full standing broadside or less,with far less being prefered and the same with deer as I don't think she is driver enough yet to go further although she did excellent on her bear.
Wayne.
 
I read the two posts which mentioned breaking elk down in both shoulders. Somehow my twisted vision includes a bull elk with cape buffalo horns after reading that!! ;D If "Big Louie", (the 400+ guy I haven't shot yet) appeared in a tough spot for tracking and extraction, I might consider the shoulder shot. For many years I hunted for meat with respectable horns on top and I couldn't afford beef except for special occasions. I developed the patience to wait for the opposite leg to be forward, so I wouldn't lose shoulder meat!! If you bloody up both shoulders, that's a pile of hamburger for next year lost. If it's a remote site, you don't even want to pack the whole shoulder out if most of it's messed up anyway - more meat lost. I prefer to scramble up the lungs when I can. Hunters on the expensive trip of a lifetime, or any of us with the chance to take Louie before he bails off in some hell-hole are valid reasons IMO for breaking shoulders.
If for some reason it became my shot of choice and a 7mm-08 was my only rifle, I'd load up Accubonds, Partitions, Triple shocks or similarly constructed bullets.
 
Well wallypedal that is exactly why I made that statment,When you live in the rugged Hell's Caynon country I live in and you might shoot your elk with that perfect front leg slightly forward 1/4 angle perfect heart/lung shot @ 6500 feet above sea leval and retrieve his rotting corps three days later @ 425 ft on the banks of the snake river under a drift wood pile a mile from where you shot him,Well that blood shot hamberger front shoulder shot don't look to bad anymore. A elk with his adreneline going,after his last drop of blood is gone and his heart no longer beating he has about 600 yards left in him. Been there done that.
Wayne.
 
Wayne,
I think we agree, mostly. Or maybe that Hell's Canyon country makes for tougher elk, and all mine have been wimps. They live at 10,500 ft. and maybe they can't suck enough air. Haven't had one get away, and haven't had one go more than 50 yards after the shot. Seriously, different terrain, weather, "driver", confidence levels, and a lot of other factors go into the selections we make. I found mine, and you've found yours. Good Huntin'.
Wallypedal
 
wallypedal,
I guess your right in that we both want our elk down ;) I live in steep rugged and for the most part wide open country so sometimes shots are long, If they can keep there legs under them they can run a long ways and that is almost allways DOWN HILL @ the bottom it is often steep brushy and unacessable by vehicle's so stopping them up on top is a big big plus most of the time,hence taking the front end OUT!! Happy hunting to you as well my friend :)
Wayne.
 
wallypedal,
I should have looked @ your stats before I posted. Beutifull elk country you have. I have hunted some down there and it is totally different hunting than here.Even if you did make a bad shot there is no place for them to really go that you can't get to for the most part. I would love to do some elk hunting your diection again someday.
Wayne.
 
I have used and still have a 7-08. It is a good cartridge. I also hunt elk and use heavy guns on them. If you hunt elk with a 7-08 you have to select your shot. My first custom rifle was a 338-06 built for elk. Even with a well placed shot elk will walk off as nothing is wrong unless you break them down. I have had two elk that I questioned my shooting only to find out that I had shot well but they walked off/stood and died later. The one that stood was on her feet for 20 sec before she went down. You can replay shot many times in 20 sec. If you only have the short action to choose from how about a short mag as an option? You will not shoot the short mag as much in practice as the 7-08, that said you need to concentrate on the shots taken more. I shoot .223's and others in hunting rifles most of the year so I don't get beat-up with the mags. With elk you need to watch the quartering shot as it requires more penatration than the leg forword broadside shot and you may have to pass on some shots. Buy the 7-08 that you want and use it well. I have used mine on about 12 wild hogs out to 350 yds. The most Adrenalin was the hog that I hit at 50 yds and he then charged me, I droped him at 10 yds with the second shot. I shot a Wyoming moose that went a 100 yds with a heart shot, the 225 gr bullet was in off side leg.
 
Wayne, I hunt similar country. We had to pack 400-500 lbs of Rocky Mtn elk out of the Imnaha Canyon one time - 4,000 ft of elevation gain and about three or four miles. Another time we had to pack 700 lbs of Roosevelt elk out of the Coast Range. This one ended up about three miles from the nearest road. Not the elevation, but the hills are steep and anyone that has hunted the area know it is essentially a jungle. A 125 lb ham on your back climbing and tripping over the brambles quickly becomes no fun. Both of these were animals that were hit good, one with a .30-06 and another with a .270 Win. No offense to the guys that use smaller calibers, but after a couple hunts like that, you can understand why bigger is better in my opinion. If a person can handle the recoil, a .300 or even a .338 Win mag is what I recommend. Big chunks of lead is quite handy at breaking down an elk. By the way, the Coast Range elk was shot through the shoulder. He made it a long ways on three legs.
 
I am the type of hunter who always likes a little more gun than the bare minimum, as it's better to have more HP and not need it, than to need it and not have it. I also like heavy for caliber bullets and large diameter bullets as well.

When I discovered and fell in love with shooting a rifle, I used a 3-06 for a while with 180gr Core-Lokt's, and then switched to a .243 for a short time. That .243 is the reason I am so adamant about large, heavy for caliber bullets and having enough HP to do the job and then some. I had a 160-170lb buck, can't remember for sure how big, run for hours after taking a 100gr Nosler Ballistic Tip through it's lungs and appear as though nothing had happened. It was the most miserable day I ever had hunting, and have always used plenty of gun ever since.
I also watched a friend of my father give his Remington 7400 in .243 several bat swings into a tree while holding the barrel, as he had hit 2 deer with it on separate occasions, and both needed to be tracked for a long time. He was simply fed up with it's inability to anchor the tough deer we have around here.

The reason I write this is not to discredit the 7-08, or even the .243. But simply to say that every round has it's limits, and some need specific shot placement on certain animals to be effective. A shot that will work with a 30-06 may not be enough with a .243, so you may need to use different shot placement. You don't need a ton of HP to put an animal down, but smaller rounds require much more precise shot placement to be effective most times, so you need to be much more careful to assure proper placement.

It's very possible to kill a bull elk with even a .223, but it will likely not go down nearly as fast as when hit with a larger round, and shot placement will be extremely critical. The 7-08 has the power necessary to make kills on large animals, such as elk. But due to it having less bullet weight and power than a larger round, you need to carefully choose your shots for them to be as effective as those from a larger round.

The 7-08 is truly a great round, and has the power necessary to kill most any animal you encounter. But, it needs very good shot placement to be as effective as say a 338 win mag or even a 35 whelen. It will still get the job done, you just need to be careful.
 
Otter,
I know exactly what you mean,I have hunted the Imnaha myself,its not far from where I live. It is very rugged country and not acessable by vehicle in most places,so if you shoot one up on top of the breaks that is where you want to find him. I plan on letting my wife shoot out of a blind,we have quite a few acres that are old fields that have grown over with jack pines,I have thinned and pruned about 80 acres of it and it gives the elk plenty of cover yet gives you some view for shooting,I hope it works out for her as she can't hunt the steeper caynon country that I usually do. At the close ranges that she will be shooting I am confident she will be able to harvest herself a elk with her little 7mm-08 :)
Wayne.
 
PowderMonkey said:
What are you loading to get a 7mm-08 to 2950 fps?
I don't know my nosler reloading manual's highest velocity for a 140 gr is 2922 fps
with 49.0 gr of RL-19 thats 101% load density, but if you dropped to a 130 or 120 grain bullet you should be able to obtain that velocity. I only have a 21" barrel so I haven't seen advertized velocities anyway.
Wayne.
 
45/Varget/RP partial sized cases, 700 factory chamber, TWO different rifles chopped at 21", safe in MY guns, 2900-2960 mv, 139/140gr.
 
I'll have to run down to the loading room and try that,I'm not sure if I can get 45 gr of varget in my cases without a drop tube. With 40 gr of varget r-p case 140 gr accubonds Tikke T3 with a 21" barrel I am getting 2671 fps and extremly accurate in my rifle and in my wife's a-bolt.
Wayne.
 

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