Facts RE SIG P320 Issues?

[ELR LVR]

According to Tests:
The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. This has been verified through exhaustive testing by SIG SAUER engineers, the U.S. Military, several major federal and state law enforcement agencies, and independent laboratories.
Let me reframe that opening sentence
CANNOT _ WITHOUT_ first being moved to the rear
Does not matter if it's only 1mm or 5mm
Guys who don't have trigger discipline
Have not engrained into muscle memory, "finger on the frame"
or those type of people who like to rest their finger on the trigger
or whether it even has a HAIR trigger like mine does
etc
---"CANNOT under ANY circumstances"---
discharge without FIRST the trigger being moved
Everyone understand?
think of it as a hair trigger
You can either handle one or not
if not you will always have accidental discharges
Accidental touching, finger resting on the trigger = USER ERROR
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If a person ACCIDENTALLY, touches the trigger at all while drawing the gun - That in itself is User error.
If they do so - And it goes off
Sorry to inform all the uneducated - is still user error
Finger on the frame - OFF the trigger ALWAYS and FOREVER , until ready to fire
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The user needs to be aware of how to handle a P320 if it does not have a safety
I believe thats the bigger issue, User error
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I've done a Light Trigger Job and Trigger Spring Kit on my P320
Still reliable with no issues
And people who drop their weapons, really need more weapon manipulation discipline
Maybe I need to buy another one before Sig changes and ruins a good platform based on user error
Just like the whole Rem 700 Walker trigger conspiracy debacle - most of all that being user error

 

[skeeljc]

Apparently the P320 striker has enough energy to fire the pistol if the sear disengages and the striker safety mechanism fails. The striker safety mechanism is supposed to stop the striker if the sear disengages without the trigger being pressed. Primer sensitivity probably plays a part.

 

[muleystalker]

According to Tests:
The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. This has been verified through exhaustive testing by SIG SAUER engineers, the U.S. Military, several major federal and state law enforcement agencies, and independent laboratories.
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The user needs to be aware of how to handle a P320 if it does not have a safety
I believe thats the bigger issue, User error
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I've done a Light Trigger Job and Trigger Spring Kit on my P320
Still reliable with no issues
And people who drop their weapons, really need more weapon manipulation discipline
Maybe I need to buy another one before Sig changes and ruins a good platform based on user error
Just like the whole Rem 700 Walker trigger comspiracy debacle

I have watched several videos of P320 firing while in the holster and no hand on the weapon. These were not people trying to recreate the incidents these were surveillance and body cam videos of real life incidents.

 

[ELR LVR]

I have watched several videos of P320 firing while in the holster and no hand on the weapon. These were not people trying to recreate the incidents these were surveillance and body cam videos of real life incidents.

Well that is def scary man
I will keep an eye on mine, as mentioned it has functioned flawlessly since day one
After shooting it and comparing to all other semi's from 1911's to Sigs and Glocks
it is the one pistol I have thought, that if I had to pick only one, That P320 10mm would be the one.
That's how much I am surprised to hear this compared to the experience with mine.
Maybe my trigger and spring mods actually helped it, who knows?

 

[kyotekiller25]

I put a trigger in mine also. It breaks under 2# if memory serves. Never had an issue with it, nor could recreate one. But it is definitely something I'll always keep in mind from now on.

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

I'm a big fan of Sigs 220 series 220,226,228,229.

old school, hard to beat. 220 is cadillac, 45 W Germany

 

[muleystalker]

Well that is def scary man
I will keep an eye on mine, as mentioned it has functioned flawlessly since day one
After shooting it and comparing to all other semi's from 1911's to Sigs and Glocks
it is the one pistol I have thought, that if I had to pick only one, That P320 10mm would be the one.
That's how much I am surprised to hear this compared to the experience with mine.
Maybe my trigger and spring mods actually helped it, who knows?

I effinatle li

Well that is def scary man
I will keep an eye on mine, as mentioned it has functioned flawlessly since day one
After shooting it and comparing to all other semi's from 1911's to Sigs and Glocks
it is the one pistol I have thought, that if I had to pick only one, That P320 10mm would be the one.
That's how much I am surprised to hear this compared to the experience with mine.
Maybe my trigger and spring mods actually helped it, who knows?

I like the P320 platform, it's comfortable and fits me well. This does rattle my confidence in it though, I never liked striker fire guns per say and the P320 was one of my first. I have always leaned towards the Sig P226... carried it for 20years and never had a problem and it fit me well . I also carried a P229 at times. I hope they get it figured out.

 

[distinguished]

If there is any doubt as to the safety of any handgun, would you really be confident in carrying it? I wouldn't. Sitting here with my 1951 mfg. Colt Commander on my side.

 

[LVLAaron]

I know no one likes to watch long form videos of people blabbing for 30 minutes.

The short version is; with just a slight amount of take up on the trigger, if you apply a little pressure to the slide it will fire.

 

[LVLAaron]

 

[Kracken McGraw]

So our Glocks have a internal safety that these 320’s don’t?

 

[Billy 30-06]

I'm a RSO at a military base range that rents many guns. The M-17 is one that sees a lot of use with many thousands of rounds put through them by sometimes inexperienced shooters. These guns don't see the care we would for our personal weapons. Never seen an AD and can't remember any type of malfunction. The 320 is striker fired and can't fire without the trigger pulled. With the gun at rest the striker is blocked and its spring is unloaded to a point it doesn't have enough energy to fire a round. Whoever started these rumors must not know much about the mechanics of the gun.

 

[drop_point]

I'm a RSO at a military base range that rents many guns. The M-17 is one that sees a lot of use with many thousands of rounds put through them by sometimes inexperienced shooters. These guns don't see the care we would for our personal weapons. Never seen an AD and can't remember any type of malfunction. The 320 is striker fired and can't fire without the trigger pulled. With the gun at rest the striker is blocked and its spring is unloaded to a point it doesn't have enough energy to fire a round. Whoever started these rumors must not know much about the mechanics of the gun.

You really haven't researched it.

 

[drop_point]

So our Glocks have a internal safety that these 320’s don’t?

The P320 DOES have a safety, the problem is it doesn't always work.

 

[dhagerty40]

this could be because of worn parts, improper trigger job, Etc. I just remember when Freedom arms was sued due to an accidental discharge. It came out that the person had done his own trigger job on the gun and may have done it improperly. Even this showing up, Freedom Arms still lost the Lawsuit. This is the reason the cost of an FA went up drastically and why they will not sell a hammer or trigger, even to a gunsmith!

The following were released by Sig:

https://www.sigsauer.com/pub/media/sigsauer/resources/Short-Form-Agreement-Notice.pdf

P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program | SIG SAUER

The P320® Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost.

www.sigsauer.com

 

[LVLAaron]

Airman killed by M18 pistol was 21-year-old from Kentucky

The airman's tragic death has since led Air Force Global Strike Command to ban M18 handguns from use during an investigation.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[LVLAaron]

Sometimes you have to turn off the "engineer brain" that tells you "this isn't possible" - and realize that things in fact, are happening.

 

[LVLAaron]

 

[LVLAaron]

this could be because of worn parts, improper trigger job, Etc.

It could be a bad design. The internet has been talking about p320 uncommanded discharges, since it came out.

 

[joshb]

I have a Sig 220, Sig Nightmare and a 365. They’re good guns and I’ve never had an issue with them. That said, I wouldn’t buy or own ANY gun that has “reported issues” like the 320. There are plenty of other choices out there. Why take the chance?