F Class rule changes?!?

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

If I am wrong, no problem at all. That's just how I understood the rules.

Thank you for providing this. I am not saying you are wrong, I just wanted to see what you are referring to and read up on it. Thanks

 

[memilanuk]

So... team captain, team coach, scorer for the team next door, check scorer for your own team... plus the four shooters, and however many 'alternates'. Interesting that they mention both the coach's assistant as check scoring (12.5), and again in 12.7. It's also interesting that there don't appear to be any bounds on the number of alternates?

Though to the point... it does explicitly call out that the check scorer (vs. the "coach's assistant...") is there for score verification *only*, nothing else. I'm guessing that's considered implicit for the person assigned to score for another team. Which should just leave the captain, the coach... and all the shooters/alternates not actually firing. Unless I'm missing it, the rules don't explicitly state the disposition of the team members not actively on the firing point? I did a quick text search of the full rule book for 'team' and didn't see anything jumping out at me...

I'm guessing here, but probably in the past there was an assumption that you had 4-5, maybe 6 people. One shooter, one coach, one scoring for the team next door, and one pulling targets. Four people. If you were lucky, you had one or two extra - someone to pull targets for the team shooters, and maybe someone's friend or SO to check score.

It's been a while since I shot a team match... but it seemed like there was definitely an upward trend for the winning teams... four shooters, captain, coach, scorer, check scorer, target puller, alternate(s), water boy, cheerleaders... you get the idea.

It's amazing how many people you can have on a four person team

 

[Robwal]

Understood, however, why would they go into such detail about what the captain, coach, and assistant are allowed to do and then the other team members have the freedom to do whatever they want? Once again, no problem if I am wrong. It wont be the first time.

 

[davidjoe]

C'mon man! I would believe almost anything about the rules committee. I mean, they banned electronic levels. [Don't even get me started on the math of that!]

Which brings me to why I started shooting PRS instead of F-class this year...

Y'all do realize that those top coaches could still make winning wind calls looking through a cardboard box with a pinhole at the far end, right? The tension on the waistband of your undies probably negatively impacts your score more than the difference in spotting scopes, but let's not let reality creep into our rulemaking rumors...

The stomach churning nature of such discussions even dissuades me from eating popcorn. I'm going to go dryfire...

You should resume Fclass Keith. I miss you, any better reasons. Ok, you have a lot of experience to share and big matches to almost win . By the way, there were a bunch of pictures on a table at nationals and I picked up a good one of you. I’ll find it.

 

[ebb]

This was inevitable. I went to a service rifle match many years ago with a friend, what an eye opener. There was only one or two service rifles as far as I could see. The rest were highly modified Garands and M1A1s that had so much work done to them that they should not have qualified. Someone at that match had a screaming fit when another touched his handguard, "its bedded you will ruin it!" F class and had to become an equipment race with leaders trying to pervert the rules to their advantage just like every other sport on the planet.

 

[Warren Dean]

What kind of beer is that in your avatar picture and does it go well with @Warren Dean 's popcorn?

Popcorn goes well with just about any beer.

 

[acbrunton55]

Popcorn goes well with just about any beer.

Try popcorn with champagne. Suggestion from a sommelier friend. It's fantastic.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Try popcorn with champagne. Suggestion from a sommelier friend. It's fantastic.

I'm a Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin aficionado. What type of popcorn does your sommelier friend suggests would pair well with VCP Brut?

 

[Warren Dean]

I'm a Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin aficionado. What type of popcorn does your sommelier friend suggests would pair well with VCP Brut?

I'm not sure you can talk to me like that....

 

[saxeTshooter]

You should resume Fclass Keith. I miss you, any better reasons. Ok, you have a lot of experience to share and big matches to almost win . By the way, there were a bunch of pictures on a table at nationals and I picked up a good one of you. I’ll find it.

I'd also like to see a Cortina Glasscock podcast!

 

[Dgd6mm]

I'd also like to see a Cortina Glasscock podcast!

They say never say never, but I don't know about that.

 

[saxeTshooter]

They say never say never, but I don't know about that.

Based on how small the competitive shooting community is (especially f-class) it seems like a sin to not have at least one 2-3 hr pod with these two. Their collective content has saved me years of headaches re: shooting/reloading. Didn't know they don't like each other but did some further digging in the forum and seems like Glasscock doesn't like EC's style. IMO that would make the pod even better! In the end, we are all shooters

 

[acbrunton55]

I'm a Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin aficionado. What type of popcorn does your sommelier friend suggests would pair well with VCP Brut?

Well, no specific popcorn suggestion. More of a statement around the rich buttery, salty taste of popcorn and champagne in general. However, I have had good reviews pairing popcorn made with Land O' Lakes salted butter, fresh grated parmigiano reggiano cheese, and a dash of fresh ground pepper with Bollinger Brut Special Cuvee, or a Nicolas Feuillatte Vintage Brut.

 

[JLT]

I'm not sure you can talk to me like that....

That's funny, right there!

 

[Keith Glasscock]

You should resume Fclass Keith. I miss you, any better reasons. Ok, you have a lot of experience to share and big matches to almost win . By the way, there were a bunch of pictures on a table at nationals and I picked up a good one of you. I’ll find it.

No plans at the moment, but I still haven't sold the rifles yet either...

 

[acbrunton55]

Well, no specific popcorn suggestion. More of a statement around the rich buttery, salty taste of popcorn and champagne in general. However, I have had good reviews pairing popcorn made with Land O' Lakes salted butter, fresh grated parmigiano reggiano cheese, and a dash of fresh ground pepper with Bollinger Brut Special Cuvee, or a

Well, no specific popcorn suggestion. More of a statement around the rich buttery, salty taste of popcorn and champagne in general. However, I have had good reviews pairing popcorn made with Land O' Lakes salted butter, fresh grated parmigiano reggiano cheese, and a dash of fresh ground pepper with Bollinger Brut Special Cuvee, or a Nicolas Feuillatte Vintage Brut.

"Say When"

 

[davidjoe]

No plans at the moment, but I still haven't sold the rifles yet either...

It would make it really hard to come back if the guns are gone. In reality the brass and stash of 180’s might be harder to replace, but not psychologically .

 

[ebb]

Keith good luck at what ever you do.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

It would make it really hard to come back if the guns are gone. In reality the brass and stash of 180’s might be harder to replace, but not psychologically .

I can honestly say that I've never seen that photo before. I think it was taken at Deep Creek in Montana.

 

[Longtrain]

What kind of beer is that in your avatar picture and does it go well with @Warren Dean 's popcorn?

Another hobby, image is as close as I could get to an English ESB, one of my favorites, rest assured it’s not a Bud Light. IMO beer pairs with just about anything.