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F-Class Rifle Classes

Interested in the origins of F-Class, an internet search lead me to this Ontario Rifle Association website.

http://www.ontariorifleassociation.ca/node/75

From the ORA website, “To make competitions fair, there are 3 recognized subdivisions of F Class, based upon the rifle used. Open Class, Restricted Class and Factory Class. All F Classes shoot the same course of fire, alongside each other.”

Their governing body is the ICFRA. I downloaded and read the ICFRA rules for F-Class. The rules only address two classes, F-Open and F-T/R and do not support the Factory Class.

As most of you know, the NRA rules only support F-Open and F-TR (Restricted in ORA) and do not provide rules for a Factory class. The result is, new shooters showing up with out-of-the-box factory rifles such as 243 Ruger Precision Rifle are competing against custom F-Open rifles that are clearly outclassing the beginners’ rifles. Similarly, custom built F-TR rifles coming to the firing lines today have a decided advantage over a factory varmint rifle in 223 or 308. Probably, the only factory rifles today that are capable threats are the Savage Target Rifle Series. Under the ORA class guidelines, I think the Savage F-Class rifles would be excluded from the Factory Class as a “Specialist TR” rifle.

IMHO I see the ORA classes as being friendlier to shooters wanting to try a new shooting sport but who are not able to commit the funds to a custom build. Perhaps after a season of shooting in a Factory Class, a new shooter will become hooked and willing to adjust priorities for a custom build.

There is going to be a natural progression of technology development in any evolving competitive sport, from its’ inception to maturity. That’s just the nature of competitive human beings. On the fringe there will always be a group of people who are more casual and just enjoy the experience of competition. Eventually their shooting techniques and wind reading skills will progress to a point where they are shooting to the potential of their equipment. At that point they will have to decide what they want out of the sport. By shooting against other competitors on a more level playing field, they will have a better measure of their skill set and less frustration about their standings in the ranks.

There was a similar progression in the Silhouette Shooting sports. This was a sport with humble beginnings where factory rifles were quickly replaced with offhand specific stocks and the cartridge refinement race was on. One quick glance at the NRA Rifle Silhouette Rulebook quickly illustrates the expansion of the rules to accommodate the broad spectrum of disciplines applicable to the sport.

It was said to me by a fellow shooter that F-Class is “the red-headed stepchild” of the NRA High-Power Rifle division. So, the rules are kind of an addendum to the Hi-Power rules. With the aging shooter population, older shooters are able to take their match rifles to the F-Class firing line and still remain active. I also see F-Class as being a sport that has the potential for drawing in more fringe shooters who have a good varmint rifle in the closet but don’t have the funds to own a class-built rifle. I would also like to see the sport draw more junior shooters. Why shouldn’t the NRA rules be structured to provided shooters an entry level class, offering a more level playing field?
 
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A couple things...

1) Pretty sure the governing body for the Ontario Rifle Association is the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association (DCRA), not the International Confederation of Fullbore Rifle Associations (ICFRA).

2) The subject of factory classes has came up many, many times over the years since F-class became officially a 'thing'. It boils down to the same few points, every time:

  • The notion that if only we had one more class, all sorts of people would turn out to shoot in it. A number of places have tried, usually at a club level (if you write it into your local match program, you can do about anything you want that isn't patently unsafe). The response is uniformly underwhelming. Basically, if those people wanted to compete, they'd get their butts out there already, and shoot in F/TR or F-Open. No matter how many classes you have, not everyone is going to win. But winning does start with getting off their hind end and going to a match, and that right there is a non-starter for a lot of 'talkers'.

  • The existing rules allow for shooter classifications - Sharpshooter on up through High Master - as well as equipment categories - F/TR, F-Open - which effectively *does* give new shooters a place to start. They may not win the entire match - which they would be unlikely to do anyway - but they can win their class i.e. 1st Sharpshooter, High Junior, etc. If there aren't enough new / lower ranked shooters for there to be awards for those categories... do you really think there are going to be enough to keep an entire separate category alive? Experience says 'probably not'.

  • Some folks think it would be a great idea, and grow the sport. Those same people are not the ones volunteering to run the matches, police the new 'class' to ensure that people are not 'gaming' the system, etc. If you truly believe in this concept, I encourage you to get in touch with your local HP match director, and volunteer your time to help setup and run matches. Once you get a feel for that, if you still think a new equipment category is warranted, work on getting it implemented at your local events. See how it fares. If it takes off like wildfire, kudos to you. Then start working on your neighboring ranges, and your state association. Get the class to spread on its own - by shooter attendance, not just people saying "I'd like to shoot, if only...".

I'm sorry if this comes across a bit harsh... but this topic truly has been beaten to death, stabbed, burned at the stake, buried, dug up, hung by the neck until dead, buried again... maybe it is time for it to resurface; maybe now is the time when things will be different. I don't know. What I do know is that it's only going to change by you taking an active part, at your own facility.
 
A couple things...

1) Pretty sure the governing body for the Ontario Rifle Association is the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association (DCRA), not the International Confederation of Fullbore Rifle Associations (ICFRA).

2) The subject of factory classes has came up many, many times over the years since F-class became officially a 'thing'. It boils down to the same few points, every time:

  • The notion that if only we had one more class, all sorts of people would turn out to shoot in it. A number of places have tried, usually at a club level (if you write it into your local match program, you can do about anything you want that isn't patently unsafe). The response is uniformly underwhelming. Basically, if those people wanted to compete, they'd get their butts out there already, and shoot in F/TR or F-Open. No matter how many classes you have, not everyone is going to win. But winning does start with getting off their hind end and going to a match, and that right there is a non-starter for a lot of 'talkers'.

  • The existing rules allow for shooter classifications - Sharpshooter on up through High Master - as well as equipment categories - F/TR, F-Open - which effectively *does* give new shooters a place to start. They may not win the entire match - which they would be unlikely to do anyway - but they can win their class i.e. 1st Sharpshooter, High Junior, etc. If there aren't enough new / lower ranked shooters for there to be awards for those categories... do you really think there are going to be enough to keep an entire separate category alive? Experience says 'probably not'.

  • Some folks think it would be a great idea, and grow the sport. Those same people are not the ones volunteering to run the matches, police the new 'class' to ensure that people are not 'gaming' the system, etc. If you truly believe in this concept, I encourage you to get in touch with your local HP match director, and volunteer your time to help setup and run matches. Once you get a feel for that, if you still think a new equipment category is warranted, work on getting it implemented at your local events. See how it fares. If it takes off like wildfire, kudos to you. Then start working on your neighboring ranges, and your state association. Get the class to spread on its own - by shooter attendance, not just people saying "I'd like to shoot, if only...".

I'm sorry if this comes across a bit harsh... but this topic truly has been beaten to death, stabbed, burned at the stake, buried, dug up, hung by the neck until dead, buried again... maybe it is time for it to resurface; maybe now is the time when things will be different. I don't know. What I do know is that it's only going to change by you taking an active part, at your own facility.

Thanks Monte. Sorry to open old wounds. I'll use the search the next time. BTW, I downloaded the ICFRA rules from the ORA website.
 
A couple things...

Basically, if those people wanted to compete, they'd get their butts out there already, and shoot in F/TR or F-Open.

^^ hear, hear

Those are qualification levels. I was referring to the "class".

I'm going to go out on a limb here, nobody shooting Master class scores in F class is using a factory rifle. (Monte and his factory sponsored savage shooters may be the only possible exception)

Not many "Marksman" shooters are running full up customs, and I'll also wager that I can take someone in his first matches and give him my full up custom F-TR rifle and he'll still shoot no better than SS. It ain't the rifle. If you can't read wind at 1000 yards no rifle, no bullet, nothing is going to keep the hole in the 10 ring, and that skill is only learned with time on the range.

We don't need another trophy for everyone class.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here, nobody shooting Master class scores in F class is using a factory rifle. (Monte and his factory sponsored savage shooters may be the only possible exception)

I've seen master class scores shot a number of times with factory rifles. Always Savage rifles. Various shooters. Usually not much wind at 1000 or a bit of wind at 300-600.
 
At Palo Alto we give awards for 1st in classification in addition to match winner. As a shooter completing my first year of competition it felt gratifying to win high score in my class and get a medal. Shooters with factory rifles can compete and get a medal by winning at their classification level. Adding a new rifle class would increase complexity of running matches as Monte pointed out. This is no small consideration if you have organized and directed competitions in any discipline (I have in my past). I found that I could not compete myself and be a director and if I did compete it compromised my performance. It is difficult enough to get a match organized and run and I see an additional class as a burden that may be more detrimental than beneficial.

Oh...XTR...I shot my first clean and won a couple of matches with a 'factory' rifle;):).....if having an aftermarket barrel would still count.
 
At Palo Alto we give awards for 1st in classification in addition to match winner. As a shooter completing my first year of competition it felt gratifying to win high score in my class and get a medal. Shooters with factory rifles can compete and get a medal by winning at their classification level.

Agreed. There is no need to multiply categories if the match separates F-TR and F-Open and recognizes top places in the different classification levels. Even better if they recognize ladies, juniors, seniors, etc.

I've introduced a number of new shooters to F-Class and recognition can be very motivating for them. Most don't need a cash pay-out. A small ribbon or medal, or just a note in the results bulletin can be very satisfying.

Palo Alto is a great venue. I wish I could attend there more.
 
I guess it would depend on how the rules were written, for what that can turn into you need look no further than the current state of Service Rifle.
 
First thing... define "factory". Then define "factory rifle".

How many rifles have to be produced annually to be considered a "factory"? Do they all have to be the same model/build? Who is going to track this and how would it be tracked?

What happens if you have the action trued and put a new barrel on it? Would that still be "factory"?

Can you glass bed it and still be "factory"?

Can you add weight to the stock?

Can you use an aftermarket trigger?

Most of those mods you probably wouldn't catch without a very thorough inspection to include tearing down the rifle. Some you still might not catch.

These are just the issues I thought of in 5 minutes of thinking about it. Creative individuals will stretch things in any way they think will give them an advantage.

Trying to define and police a "factory" class would be a freakin' nightmare in my opinion.

JS
 
I'm going to shoot some F-Class for the first time this year. I'll be doing it with what I have, a Savage LRP in .243. I won't win, will probably come in last, but I WILL have fun. Probably learn a whole bunch of stuff too that will be valuable if/when I decide to get a better gun and equipment.
For me these days it isn't winning that is most important, it's playing the game that counts.
 
@jsudduth this year I think the PRS series is trying a new 'production' rifle class... with the rules as follows:

Production Division: Production Division is meant to provide anyone an opportunity to shoot in a PRS event that wishes to do so that would otherwise not compete due to lack of equipment. The Division is not meant to be gamed by experienced shooters looking to win a trophy by sandbagging. 2.3.1 Production Division rifles are not permitted to be altered or improved in any way from the original factory configuration. Production Division combined rifle and scope MSRP as listed on the company’s website shall not exceed $3,000 USD, the rifle shall not exceed $2,000 USD and the optic not exceed $2,000 USD. Appendix A-4 of the PRS Rule Book provides a list of rifles permitted in the Production
Not really what is typically implied when people ask about a 'factory' class/category for NRA F-class, but it does give one example of how to go about it. It'll be interesting to see how well it takes off. Of course, someone has to maintain that appendix (which is actually A-3, not A-4, despite the above being a direct cut-n-paste from their website) of what is and isn't allowed.
 
@jsudduth this year I think the PRS series is trying a new 'production' rifle class... with the rules as follows:

Production Division: Production Division is meant to provide anyone an opportunity to shoot in a PRS event that wishes to do so that would otherwise not compete due to lack of equipment. The Division is not meant to be gamed by experienced shooters looking to win a trophy by sandbagging. 2.3.1 Production Division rifles are not permitted to be altered or improved in any way from the original factory configuration. Production Division combined rifle and scope MSRP as listed on the company’s website shall not exceed $3,000 USD, the rifle shall not exceed $2,000 USD and the optic not exceed $2,000 USD. Appendix A-4 of the PRS Rule Book provides a list of rifles permitted in the Production
Not really what is typically implied when people ask about a 'factory' class/category for NRA F-class, but it does give one example of how to go about it. It'll be interesting to see how well it takes off. Of course, someone has to maintain that appendix (which is actually A-3, not A-4, despite the above being a direct cut-n-paste from their website) of what is and isn't allowed.

I directed a match some time ago that had a factory class. Enforcement was not problematic, because there were not guys trying to game it. Various benchrest and rimfire matches also have versions of production, hunter, and varmint classes. It makes sense. But I always thought limiting the costs would make sense also.

Most action pistol type matches (3 gun, IDPA, SCSA, ISPSA, etc.) also have classes that include production pistols. It seems to work there also without too much gamesmanship.

But you can only divide up the categories so finely and still have a tractable and manageable event. I kinda like the way the NRA has things organized now. Would I mind a "factory class"? No, but I'm not going to complain if the rules seem suboptimal. Just happy to be out there.
 
F/TR is a good alternative to open F Class. may not be a "factory class" but you can be competitive with a factory rifle, at least at the local or regional level
 
I started shooting F-Class with my elk rifle. I quickly learned that if I wanted my scores to improve I needed a better suited rifle for target work. It wasn't that my rifle couldn't do it. It just isn't designed for that use.

I bought a savage varmint rifle and have slowly been worked on it to become a first class F/TR rifle. Nothing overly fancy just add improvements when I can afford it.

Personally I really enjoy the F/TR class as it really keeps the arms race to a dull roar with the caliber, rest, and weight restrictions.
308 tends to be a bit more finicky but I enjoy the challenge. I am classed expert and I am sure I will move up in class this year.
 
The way to get people to come try competition is first to hold mid range matches where their equipment and skill have some chance of at least limited success. Long range is really not something that you can do with any factory ammo and about the only factory rifles that are competitive are Savages. On the other hand, if you hold matches at 600 yards and in and second PROMOTE them. You can get new shooters and shooters with non-dedicated rigs to come play. Flinging them to 1000 and not knowing why they went where they did with 8 ring elevation (or worse) is not typically conducive to return engagements.

I have seen both sides of this at Oak Ridge and Tullahoma. Oak Ridge is a great facility, holds more long range matches by the end of June than most places do all yr, but HP competition shooting there is quite Corinthian. Nobody really makes any effort to promote it to new shooters, and until recently MR matches were an afterthought. I once had a discussion at the range offering to take my own time and $$ to get a table at some of the regular Knoxville gun shows to try to promote competitons. I was told if I was going to do it and use the clubs name I needed to get board approval. The matches at ORSA typically see the same fairly small group at all the club shoots, and not many new shooters.

On the other hand, Midsouth Marksmen actively promotes "bring a new shooter" among the members and holds lots of 600 yard shoots. Their mid range F class attendance, at a military range that is not as easy to access as ORSA, typically gets triple the attendance from F'rs, a large number of whom are running factory Remingtons. Don't misunderstand the competitoin there, there are some of us that are pretty serious competitors that show up to shoot at some of the MSM matches. Couple or three members or past members of the US team(s), at least one past national champion, Berger team members, national record holders... you get the idea. Scores from the factory rifles aren't usually competitive with those folks, but they still come out and shoot.

So, I don't think you need a special class for factory rifles, you just need a format that encourages them and lets them have a good time, and that can be done in the current ruleset.
 
So, I don't think you need a special class for factory rifles, you just need a format that encourages them and lets them have a good time, and that can be done in the current ruleset.

Yes, it can. Great points. MSM is a great venue. Welcoming, friendly, and warm, including to ladies and juniors.
 
Just an FYI that the ORA site hasn't been updated in a long time and while it might have been their intent to have a factory class, I've never seen one. In fact, they have a hard enough time getting enough shooters in FTR and FO. We also don't have shooter classes up here, at least not in Ontario. So if your new, and come to play, you compete with the big boys.

Also, the ORA does not have anything to do with the Easterns, Nationals and Vic Day matches that are held at Connaght.
 
Just an FYI that the ORA site hasn't been updated in a long time and while it might have been their intent to have a factory class, I've never seen one. In fact, they have a hard enough time getting enough shooters in FTR and FO.

...and that is generally the problem with factory classes. The ranges that would most benefit, rarely have enough attendance to justify subdividing an already small field even further. The bigger events... the new shooters that the factory class would supposedly draw out of the woodwork aren't generally going to travel in sufficient numbers to compete at. There are some specific venues, where they have (for a time) a confluence of enough local shooters interested in getting their feet wet, so to speak, without breaking the bank, that such a class can actually gain some traction for a while.

We also don't have shooter classes up here, at least not in Ontario. So if your new, and come to play, you compete with the big boys.

Now that, I wasn't really aware of. o_O Guess I need to sit down and read the DCRA rules more thoroughly before this summer!

5.01 Classification – General

The DCRA employs a classification system which groups Target Rifle (TR) competitors into different levels according to demonstrated ability. No corresponding system exists to classify TR-O and F-Class competitors, all of whom for statistical convenience, will be entered into the program computer and shown in the Results lists as Masters.
 

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