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F-Class participation?

"I think it's just the opposite. F class is probably the most beginner friendly shooting discipline out there. I would even call it easy. That's why it got so popular in the first place - you just show up and shoot. The very first match I shot, with a converted sling rifle, was a master level score. It doesn't get any easier than that. No shooting sport is easy when your bar is top dog at the nationals, but compared to my never ending battle trying to be a respectable (not even good, just not embarrassingly bad) service rifle shooter, F class is a breeze."

I tinker with service rifle and im ok. However, i have rarely seen a cross over from service rifle to fclass. In each instance the service rifle shooter is distinguished. They get to frustrated with the amount of detail needed to be put into loading. I will get whooped by them in a service rifle match, but the favor is returned at an fclass match.
What i see as far as attendance at matches in michigan and wisconsin, wisconsin has a great turnout for sling shooters compared to fclass. Michigan from my observation is the opposite.
 
"I think it's just the opposite. F class is probably the most beginner friendly shooting discipline out there. I would even call it easy. That's why it got so popular in the first place - you just show up and shoot. The very first match I shot, with a converted sling rifle, was a master level score. It doesn't get any easier than that. No shooting sport is easy when your bar is top dog at the nationals, but compared to my never ending battle trying to be a respectable (not even good, just not embarrassingly bad) service rifle shooter, F class is a breeze."

I tinker with service rifle and im ok. However, i have rarely seen a cross over from service rifle to fclass. In each instance the service rifle shooter is distinguished. They get to frustrated with the amount of detail needed to be put into loading. I will get whooped by them in a service rifle match, but the favor is returned at an fclass match.
What i see as far as attendance at matches in michigan and wisconsin, wisconsin has a great turnout for sling shooters compared to fclass. Michigan from my observation is the opposite.
Yes, that was my point...newbies think its easy but to win you need good equipment ammo and technique acquired thru practice.
 
If you dabble in reloading a little bit and like to shoot, it only takes going to one match and you are hooked... Here in NC its a fairly even numbers of shooters in both sling, TR & Open with TR probably being the most popular. I will speak for myself here, but the classification system lends itself to keeping new shooters coming back in that it allowed me to see progress and being able to move up through the ranks at a fairly decent pace in MR kept me motivated to commit more time & money to the sport. TIME.. Being a father of two young children, time is limited. Reloading is done late at night or during the day when kids are at school. Making 3-5 matches a year on the weekends is about my max and maintain a happy wife. MONEY.. Everybody knows the deal here.... It takes it and quite a bit of it too...

As a 42 year old man, I think that I will continue to shoot F-Class for quite some time since it lends itself to growing old with. Quite honestly, I enjoy listening to the old men tell stories just as much as the shooting. Local matches will suffice for me for a few more years or until I feel competent enough to compete on a national level. IMO, local matches should try to reward their shooters with at least "trophies" at 2-3 "Big" matches per year. I've spent a ton of money chasing a $20 trophy and will do so again I'm sure. Its just cool to win a trophy. The NRA points to help pay for match fees helps a little bit also. Lastly, if I knew of someone that I thought was a good canidate for F-class, I'd surely loan them one of my rifles and enough ammo to shoot a match.
 
If you dabble in reloading a little bit and like to shoot, it only takes going to one match and you are hooked... Here in NC its a fairly even numbers of shooters in both sling, TR & Open with TR probably being the most popular. I will speak for myself here, but the classification system lends itself to keeping new shooters coming back in that it allowed me to see progress and being able to move up through the ranks at a fairly decent pace in MR kept me motivated to commit more time & money to the sport. TIME.. Being a father of two young children, time is limited. Reloading is done late at night or during the day when kids are at school. Making 3-5 matches a year on the weekends is about my max and maintain a happy wife. MONEY.. Everybody knows the deal here.... It takes it and quite a bit of it too...

As a 42 year old man, I think that I will continue to shoot F-Class for quite some time since it lends itself to growing old with.

Quite honestly, I enjoy listening to the old men tell stories just as much as the shooting. Local matches will suffice for me for a few more years or until I feel competent enough to compete on a national level. IMO, local matches should try to reward their shooters with at least "trophies" at 2-3 "Big" matches per year. I've spent a ton of money chasing a $20 trophy and will do so again I'm sure. Its just cool to win a trophy. The NRA points to help pay for match fees helps a little bit also. Lastly, if I knew of someone that I thought was a good canidate for F-class, I'd surely loan them one of my rifles and enough ammo to shoot a match.

You sir are a testimony to what a regular guy can expect his first year. Very well said and explained. The first time experience is what became Fclass and what it is at local matches.
 
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Whether it be sling, F-class, or any of the other competitive shooting sports, one of the biggest impediments I have observed is the male ego. A lot of guys think that because of their gender, they should automatically be an awesome shooter. This is where women often have an advantage oven men. In any of our disciplines, it takes a lot of time and effort to achieve a comprehensive mastery. A lot of men have too much of an ego and just aren't willing to suffer through the inevitable period where they "suck" compared to their peers and have to humble themselves and learn from them.

They blame their shooting gear, reloading equipment, etc. instead of focusing on their core skills. Sure, great equipment is helpful, but a beginner can definitely learn a lot with only "decent" gear. The sad part is, they are really missing out - no one ever makes fun of a newbie for an unimpressive score, and the satisfaction of continuous improvement through time, dedication, and effort can be just as rewarding as being crowned the "top dog" at a local match. Too many guys pour thousands of dollars into high-end equipment, never venture beyond the confines of the concrete bench at their local shooting range, punch holes in paper at 200-300 yards, and forever miss out on the opportunity to really hone their skills in competition - all because of their fragile egos.

What we do can be very humbling - some guys just can't handle it.
 
From the perspective of new shooters (I've introduced many), there are a number of areas where customer friendliness of F-Class can be improved compared with other available local shooting sports:

Before they arrive:
One of the biggest barriers is the uncertainty new participants have about how to prepare for their first match, what to bring, when to show up and what to expect. A number of local matches have conflicting or inaccurate information on their web sites regarding scheduling, rules, match fees, etc. Information regarding scheduling changes is often emailed directly to a distribution list without being posted at all the internet locations with the original schedule announcements. Twice in recent years, I have traveled a significant distance to attend a match with a new shooter only to find the match had been cancelled in the day or two before.

Many web sites do not have an approved match program at all, and others have match programs from prior years that is outdated. Important questions like whether F-TR and F-Open are grouped together or separated, whether classifications are used, whether the match is NRA Approved, Registered, or unsanctioned, etc. are unanswered. Many programs and announcements make a vague reference to things like pit duty and NRA rules, but new shooters are still uncomfortable with pit and scoring duties, and many show up with muzzle devices expecting to use them. (It's even worse when they are allowed to start shooting with them and then must be disqualified.)

Newbies also prefer attending events where recent results bulletins are available online. It helps answer questions like
-"Do other ladies or juniors regularly attend?"
-"Is my score likely to be competitive?"
-"Am I likely to come in last?"
-"How many shooters typically participate?"
-"Do they separate F-Open from F-TR?"

Lots of pictures of facilities and young friendly faces having fun on the web site is a definite plus. Pictures of old curmudgeons with $4k rifles are less appealing. Pictures of ladies and juniors holding awards are great. I've also seen a number of high power web sites and announcements for "Mid-Range Prone" events which do not even say at all whether F-Class is part of the program. Should emailing the match director really be required? Should newbies have to figure out that most NRA Mid-Range Prone events are likely to include an F-Class component and how to distinguish those from High Power events without an F-Class component?

During the match:
Probably the biggest turn-off to new F-Class shooters is the steady stream of unsolicited advice regarding expensive equipment upgrades, often before consideration is given to the scoring potential of their current equipment. Advice on how to improve scores without expensive equipment upgrades is more appreciated, as is advice regarding how to actually grow from where they are (which is usually below 560) rather than advice more suitable for improving from 590 toward 600. Also the volume of unsolicited advice tends to be overwhelming. New shooters can usually only effectively implement 1 or 2 new things at a time.

Compared with common match administration duties at other shooting events, pit duty requires much more attention to detail and has a steeper learning curve. Some matches can be very supportive, but it often comes down to who happens to be on the adjacent targets to the new shooter in the pits. New shooters would definitely be more comfortable with a more intentional approach to teaching them how to work the pits and a bit more patience with rookie mistakes. Under the time pressure of a match, I've seen new shooters get barked at in the pits too many times.

If a new shooter shows up without a more experienced shooter as a mentor, they would benefit from being assigned a mentor responsible to make sure the needed information gets communicated gently and they are not overwhelmed.

I've also seen new shooters treated poorly relative to scoring issues. One shooter was disqualified because the guy in the pits put up (or left up) the traditional paper target for sling shooters (larger scoring rings) rather than the F-Class center. No one noticed until the match was complete. While his score cannot count in a registered match, he should have been allowed a re-shoot. Likewise, on electronic targets, I saw an experienced precision rifle and bench rest shooter at their first F-Class match have match officials roll their eyes and refuse a challenge of a clean miss at 300 yards.

After the match:
In NRA matches, new shooters need to have the classification system explained to them and be given a temporary score book and shown how to determine their temporary classification and keep it updated until the NRA sends them their card. They need to know how they can receive the match results bulletin.

F-Class matches would generally be more welcoming if match results bulletins were easier to understand AND if directors made more efforts to recognize accomplishments. Even if there are not cash awards or trophies, does it hurt to recognize 1st and 2nd place ladies, juniors, and unclassified shooters in the bulletin? Does it hurt to separate F-TR from F-Open so that more shooters can be recognized?

Many local shooting events are now using an electronic scoring system called Practiscore. Shooters can see full match results by the end of the day and often immediately. In contrast, F-Class match results are often delayed several days. Some new shooters I know are still waiting to receive the official results of an F-Class match shot in early October. I'm not suggesting the use of Practiscore, but rapid and complete dissemination of the results bulletin would make for a more satisfying experience as it allows shooters to see how they compared with the other shooters in the event. (As a coach/mentor I can also see how this motivates the desire to improve and come back.)

Other:
Many new shooters, especially ladies and juniors, really appreciate clean, comfortable bathrooms close by. A note at the web site relating to these facilities would make match attendance more appealing.

Covered firing lines and covered pits are a big bonus in the hot sun or if rain is predicted. I've had newbies waiting to commit a number of times waiting for the weather forecast for uncovered firing lines, and I've had them bail on me even more often the night before or the morning of an event if it is raining and the line is uncovered.

Once I explain how the classification system works, about half the newbies I've mentored and coached prefer NRA sanctioned events with 60 or 120 rounds for record. They always have in mind their next classification goal, and events without half or all of the shots they need to make their next goal are much less appealing. We also had an unfortunate experience this year with an event that claimed NRA sanctioning in their announcements but was not, in fact, sanctioned. This was very disappointing for newbies who were hoping and expecting to progress toward or achieve their classification goals. Accurate communication of NRA status is critical. I can often convince newbies to attend unsanctioned matches, but they are more likely to take a relaxed, experimental approach (new rifle or new load) to those than really trying to post their very best scores.

I've also found high match fees a barrier to newbie participation. $50 is too much for a one day event. $20-$25 for a 60 round match is about right, maybe $35 if there are amenities that make for a much more pleasant experience (target pullers, electronic targets that work perfectly, covered firing line, great bathrooms, lots of awards.) Keep in mind that F-Class is competing with other local shooting options that probably offer new shooters their first tournament for free, and greatly reduced costs ($5-$15) for ladies and juniors.
 
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Whether it be sling, F-class, or any of the other competitive shooting sports, one of the biggest impediments I have observed is the male ego. A lot of guys think that because of their gender, they should automatically be an awesome shooter. This is where women often have an advantage oven men. In any of our disciplines, it takes a lot of time and effort to achieve a comprehensive mastery. A lot of men have too much of an ego and just aren't willing to suffer through the inevitable period where they "suck" compared to their peers and have to humble themselves and learn from them.

They blame their shooting gear, reloading equipment, etc. instead of focusing on their core skills. Sure, great equipment is helpful, but a beginner can definitely learn a lot with only "decent" gear. The sad part is, they are really missing out - no one ever makes fun of a newbie for an unimpressive score, and the satisfaction of continuous improvement through time, dedication, and effort can be just as rewarding as being crowned the "top dog" at a local match. Too many guys pour thousands of dollars into high-end equipment, never venture beyond the confines of the concrete bench at their local shooting range, punch holes in paper at 200-300 yards, and forever miss out on the opportunity to really hone their skills in competition - all because of their fragile egos.

What we do can be very humbling - some guys just can't handle it.
Very well said right there .
 
RE: "...f-class is a breeze..."

I do not shoot f-class but I help run a couple of matches each year at our club.
I have witnessed two unintentional discharges during those matches. They were both 8's.

Just sayin'

Scott Young
 
I have a question regarding shooting in the F-Class. Let me say first, I have never shot nor been at an F-Class Shoot (yet). I do, know it is shot from a prone position.

My Question. Is there any way for someone that is physically disabled, and unable to shoot from a "prone" position (back won't let my rise up to see the target from ground), to shoot in F-Class?

I ask, because I looked into it a couple of years back and think I remember seeing that there were some rule exceptions for disabled shooters, but I have not seen that "rule" since my initial inquiry.

Or, should I just look into benchrest shooting? (Not as fun looking in my opinion)

Thanks
 
I have a question regarding shooting in the F-Class. Let me say first, I have never shot nor been at an F-Class Shoot (yet). I do, know it is shot from a prone position.

My Question. Is there any way for someone that is physically disabled, and unable to shoot from a "prone" position (back won't let my rise up to see the target from ground), to shoot in F-Class?

I ask, because I looked into it a couple of years back and think I remember seeing that there were some rule exceptions for disabled shooters, but I have not seen that "rule" since my initial inquiry.

Or, should I just look into benchrest shooting? (Not as fun looking in my opinion)

Thanks

Look at the official rule book - this is how big matches will be run. (Google "NRA high power rule book"). At a local club match, I'd be shocked to find people who would tell you not to come out and shoot if arrangements for a bench could be made.
 
I shot my first F-Class LR match a little over a year ago and was bitten. I am now member at two local clubs so I can shoot two matches per month and have managed to build a .308 for LR and a .223 for MR and even a .284 for Open. Since I have been shooting regularly I have been able to get a few buddies to join as well. I must say that I have learned much and made many friends and have been very impressed by how friendly most folks have been. I have not dwelled on placing high in matches as much as I have challenged myself and have gone from Marksman classification to Expert and only fraction away from Master. I cant believe this discipline could do anything but grow!
 
I tinker with service rifle and im ok. However, i have rarely seen a cross over from service rifle to fclass. In each instance the service rifle shooter is distinguished. They get to frustrated with the amount of detail needed to be put into loading. I will get whooped by them in a service rifle match, but the favor is returned at an fclass match.
What i see as far as attendance at matches in michigan and wisconsin, wisconsin has a great turnout for sling shooters compared to fclass. Michigan from my observation is the opposite.

I think it's almost fashionable for SR shooters to ignore reloading for accuracy. (They kind of have a point for SR shooting, but some guys seem to take pride in it). This attitude will result in abject failure in F Class. Service Rifle shooters are also the cheapest SOB's I've ever met (although home brewers come close). Not sure if that has anything to do with it...

I enjoy both, but I think I'm in the minority. I don't see much crossover locally (in Nebraska).
 
RE: "...f-class is a breeze..."

I do not shoot f-class but I help run a couple of matches each year at our club.
I have witnessed two unintentional discharges during those matches. They were both 8's.

Just sayin'

Scott Young
I've seen Danny Biggs shoot 10s at least twice on an AD. What is your point? That a rested rifle can hit the target on it's own? I've closed the bolt and hit the trigger on a couple of occasions; I've never gotten better than a 6.

Keep telling everyone it's easy, it will help recruit new shooters.

That said.

Look at the number of cleans fired in an average long range weekend by sling shooters and look at the number fired by F class shooters. In F-TR there are only a couple a yr total across all competitions, when they happen everyone knows. I've personally never shot better than a 199.

Yes, a newbie F class shooter doesn't have to learn a position and can shoot in the high 170s low 180s out of the blocks if he has a good load, if not it may be 150s to 170s. Hey, that's appealing, and if the wind is not blowing then F class is far and away easier than sling for a new shooter.

Then again I have coached for a High school team in AZ and for some new shooters at another match where their loads/rifles dropped 10 points or more that would have cleaned a HP target. They basically had a 9-ring gun on an F class target. Point being you can't play long range F class with out some pretty serious reloading efforts, and that is something that most new shooters don't have.

I completely agree that sling shooting is harder to get started in. You have to learn to have a solid hold before you can really learn to read wind, but prone doesn't seem that hard to learn. Hey, I shot a 188 my first time at 600 yards with a scoped SR, and I dropped 3 points when I had to switch from 80s to 77s for the last 2 shots because I forgot to load for sighters:eek:. That's a hella lot better than I did in my first few long range F class matches. (I did spend about an hour a day for a week on my SCATT system before the match. ) I've also launched one into the berm under the targets offhand, so it's not all rainbows and unicorns.

In the end do what is fun for you. As someone wrote above, the biggest obstacle is getting to the range.

... Service Rifle shooters are also the cheapest SOB's I've ever met (although home brewers come close). Not sure if that has anything to do with it...

I enjoy both, but I think I'm in the minority. I don't see much crossover locally (in Nebraska).

You and me man. Right now I need to go practice getting in to my sitting position. That is kicking my arse right now.
 
At our club we arrange for all the new shooters to get a nice sports massage before the match. We also have a club psychiatrist at the match to deal with anyone who gets their feelings hurt.

Then after the match, we hand out participation trophies to everyone who shot, sing Kumbya, and go have some sushi.
 
At our club we arrange for all the new shooters to get a nice sports massage before the match. We also have a club psychiatrist at the match to deal with anyone who gets their feelings hurt.

Then after the match, we hand out participation trophies to everyone who shot, sing Kumbya, and go have some sushi.

Well I'm really looking forward to tomorrow now...but I'll pass on the sushi. o_O
 
From the perspective of new shooters (I've introduced many), there are a number of areas where customer friendliness of F-Class can be improved compared with other available local shooting sports:...

Excellent post.

A few additions:
Many match directors squad the High Masters on relay one which usually is the bunny relay. Why not put the newbies and lower classifications on the easier relays to boost their confidence? Are the HM egos so fragile to not be able to clean their target on the first string?

Also many match directors only give awards to classifications with at least 5 competitors attending the match. Why not lower this barrier to 4 or 3 for the new or lower classifications competitors?

Many veteran competitors and match directors tend rush the match along resulting in new shooters stumbling, confused and angry. What's the point of the rush? Is shooting a match so unpleasant that you need to get in front of the TV or chores at the house :)
 

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