F class decision of electronic MDT level

[Monte F]

SPIRIT OF F-CLASS
Modern F-Class competition was born in Canada and evolved from
and remains a form of High Power Rifle competition. The spirit of these
Rules demand that F-Class competition remain true to its parent (High
Power Fullbore) and demands that F-Class refrain from becoming a
form of “prone benchrest”. While it is both inevitable and desirable
that the American competitive spirit generate improvements in technol-
ogy and equipment, it is also imperative that F-Class High Power Rifle
Competition not devolve into an “arms race” based upon technological
advances such that F-Class no longer resembles its parent or remains
true to the spirit of its origin. When interpreting these Rules pertaining
to equipment, the question should be asked “Is this consistent with what
was envisioned when F-Class began?”

From the High Power Rulebook:
(b) Radars, chronographs and other devices designed to measure bullet
velocity are prohibited on the line.
(c) Cell phones that have been rendered incapable from communicating
(“airplane mode”) are permitted on the line and in the pits.
(d) Electronic levels are not permitted.

So at a match I am running they are not permitted without removing the battery first.

 

[Warren Dean]

There you have it. The rules is the rules.

 

[memilanuk]

So at a match I am running they are not permitted without removing the battery first.

So... do you go down the line and squeeze the rear bags to make sure they are compliant with 3.2(a)(10)?

Or do you check that the F-Open fore-ends are less than 76mm (not 3")?

The rules is the rules.

Yeah... amazing how anal people get about *this* rule, yet I rarely see guns weighed outside national level matches. Or any of the above

 

[Warren Dean]

So... do you go down the line and squeeze the rear bags to make sure they are compliant with 3.2(a)(10)?

Or do you check that the F-Open fore-ends are less than 76mm (not 3")?



Yeah... amazing how anal people get about *this* rule, yet I rarely see guns weighed outside national level matches. Or any of the above

Good point. Weighing has gone away for the most part. Match directors rule the match.

 

[drop_point]

SPIRIT OF F-CLASS
Modern F-Class competition was born in Canada and evolved from
and remains a form of High Power Rifle competition. The spirit of these
Rules demand that F-Class competition remain true to its parent (High
Power Fullbore) and demands that F-Class refrain from becoming a
form of “prone benchrest”. While it is both inevitable and desirable
that the American competitive spirit generate improvements in technol-
ogy and equipment, it is also imperative that F-Class High Power Rifle
Competition not devolve into an “arms race” based upon technological
advances such that F-Class no longer resembles its parent or remains
true to the spirit of its origin. When interpreting these Rules pertaining
to equipment, the question should be asked “Is this consistent with what
was envisioned when F-Class began?”

From the High Power Rulebook:
(b) Radars, chronographs and other devices designed to measure bullet
velocity are prohibited on the line.
(c) Cell phones that have been rendered incapable from communicating
(“airplane mode”) are permitted on the line and in the pits.
(d) Electronic levels are not permitted.

So at a match I am running they are not permitted without removing the battery first.

I thought F-Class now has its own rule book.

 

[drop_point]

As for being High Power, the mention of High Power in the the F-Class Rule Book:

"This discipline is a modification of High Power prone shooting, not a form of bench rest and should not be construed as such."

We've already accepted that it modified, which it obviously is modified in MANY ways. Therefore, the argument that it IS high power and should use high power rules is moot. F-Class does have its own rule book.


"3.22 Electronic Devices—Competitors are responsible for ensuring all electronic communications and audio devices in their possession forward of the Ready Line are silenced and communications disabled.(a) During team matches only; team members may communicate with each other via hard-wired or wireless communications devices. These communication devices must not transmit over a radio frequency, and must not interfere with safety, range operations or other competitors."

https://competitions.nra.org/media/9392/2024-f-class-rulebook.pdf

Obviously, the Rules of High Power and F-Class are not the same and I'm not sure use of a level changes the spirit of F-Class nor are they mentioned in the 30 different mentions of electronic devices in the rule book. Things that ARE illegal are specifically called out. For example:

"3.9.1 Personal Wind Indicators—Personal Wind Indicators of all types are prohibited forward of the ready line."

Being that it is not prohibited anywhere in the rule book, and electronic devices are permitted so long as they are silent and do not communicate, seems the electronic levels ARE allowed after reading the entire rule book. Of course it is up to the match director. Not that I have one, but if I was at a match and the director disqualified me for it, I'd ask him to point to which rule I was violating I'd imagine he'd have a hard time coming up with one.

 

[rardoin]

An electronic level should not be allowed as it is not a 'spirit' level and therefore not in the spirit of the rules. 'nuff said.

 

[sdean]

An electronic level should not be allowed as it is not a 'spirit' level and therefore not in the spirit of the rules. 'nuff said.

Robin is probably correct but that Spirit thing has just about left the building.
Mostly still the same bunch of talented shooters that put in the time and work,win no matter what the rules are.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

If your holding for wind the rifle could be on a 45. Wont matter.

 

[drop_point]

If your holding for wind the rifle could be on a 45. Wont matter.

I guess holding wind and adjusting based off sighters its not a big deal at all. Dialing up from a 100 yard zero you can drift. Makes more sense for PRS shooters to invest in.

 

[memilanuk]

If your holding for wind the rifle could be on a 45. Wont matter.

As long as it's exactly the same amount of cant, every shot. Otherwise, it very much does matter.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

A cheap decent level starts at this kind of price. The cheap bubble levels are total trash. Most rifle levels are 99 cent plastic bubbles. Im not aware of a good quality rifle level. I have never used them because my eye was better than the cheap bubble. Now if some one put a Starrett glass level in a pic mount you may have something worth using.

 

[209jones]

A cheap decent level starts at this kind of price. The cheap bubble levels are total trash. Most rifle levels are 99 cent plastic bubbles. Im not aware of a good quality rifle level. I have never used them because my eye was better than the cheap bubble. Now if some one put a Starrett glass level in a pic mount you may have something worth using.

Tend to agree, the levels I've tried were more trouble than they were worth.

 

[drop_point]

A cheap decent level starts at this kind of price. The cheap bubble levels are total trash. Most rifle levels are 99 cent plastic bubbles. Im not aware of a good quality rifle level. I have never used them because my eye was better than the cheap bubble. Now if some one put a Starrett glass level in a pic mount you may have something worth using.

Check out the Accuracy 1st levels.

 

[Albany Mountain]

Under 2024 NRA HIGH POWER RIFLE RULEBOOK
3.22 Electronic Devices—Competitors are responsible to ensure that all electronic communications and audio devices in their possession forward of the ready line are silenced and communication disabled.
(a) During team matches only, team members may communicate with each other via communications devices. These communication devices must only be capable of communicating with other team members, and must not interfere with safety, range operations, or other competitors.
(b) Radars, chronographs and other devices designed to measure bullet velocity are prohibited on the line.
(c) Cell phones that have been rendered incapable from communicating (“airplane mode”) are permitted on the line and in the pits.
(d) Electronic levels are not permitted.
New 2024 F-Class rule book dropped it

 

[drop_point]

Yeah nothing in the F-Class rule book about it. High Power Rulebook has no bearing.

 

[Dave M.]

So what is everyone’s final verdict??