F-class Classification breakdown

[Keith Glasscock]

I inquired with NRA regarding the classification breakdowns. I want to recognize Shelly, the Tournament Operations Dept. Manager. This was an odd request that was handled wonderfully!

Thanks Shelly!

Now, this is for information (bragging rights?) only. It is not intended as a prompt for changing the classification system.

At Long Range (800-1000 yards), there are 1644 classified shooters. Currently, there are 108 recorded High Masters and 223 Masters.

At Mid Range (300, 500, and 600 yards), there are 2520 classified shooters. 619 HM and 459 Masters.

If we assume that all long-range shooters also hold MR classifications, there are 511 MR High Masters that do not hold HM at long range. If we wander down that path a little farther and assume that all LR High Masters and Masters will hold HM at MR, there are still are 288 MR HM's that either don't have a LR classification -OR- hold Expert or below at LR (I was one of those until last year).

I hope you find this information useful.

Keith

 

[Tahoe Shark]

I inquired with NRA regarding the classification breakdowns. I want to recognize Shelly, the Tournament Operations Dept. Manager. This was an odd request that was handled wonderfully!

Thanks Shelly!

Now, this is for information (bragging rights?) only. It is not intended as a prompt for changing the classification system.

At Long Range (800-1000 yards), there are 1644 classified shooters. Currently, there are 108 recorded High Masters and 223 Masters.

At Mid Range (300, 500, and 600 yards), there are 2520 classified shooters. 619 HM and 459 Masters.

If we assume that all long-range shooters also hold MR classifications, there are 511 MR High Masters that do not hold HM at long range. If we wander down that path a little farther and assume that all LR High Masters and Masters will hold HM at MR, there are still are 288 MR HM's that either don't have a LR classification -OR- hold Expert or below at LR (I was one of those until last year).

I hope you find this information useful.

Keith

I am very surprised that the total number of classified shooters is so low! The number is for all High Power / F Class, right?

 

[okshooter]

I would suspect the main reason for the disparity between the numbers of Masters and HMs compared to total number of shooters in LR compared to MR has more to do with the number of ranges and matches that shoot MR compared to those that shoot LR. More people shoot MR and more shoot it more often. I live in Tulsa, OK. We have seven or eight MR range matches a year and only two LR. We have the only LR match that I am aware of within about a 4 or 5 hour drive of Tulsa. Contrarily, There are MR matches shoot in OKC (about 1.5 hours away) and Van Buren, AR (about 2.5 hours away). I know OKC shoots every month so that 12 matches a year and, I think Van Buren also shoots every month so that's another 12 matches a year. So, staying within 3 hours of home, I have the ability to shoot about 30 MR matches a year and only 2 LR. This means I will probably move up faster in MR then LR. Then there are those that don't shoot one or the other. My wife is HM at MR but has never and doesn't want to shoot LR (don't ask, I can't get her to explain that to me). I'm master at MR and Expert at LR (I shoot F-TR and she shoots Open so cut me a little slack). I have probably shot about 50 MR matches and less then 10 LR.

Keith

 

[lawrence97]

I'm one of those HM at MR and a Master at LR. I am just stuck at 97.9% and can't figure out how to get that last .1-.2% to break into HM territory.
A lack of registered LR matches is also a limiting factor. It seems that MR is more common.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I am very surprised that the total number of classified shooters is so low! The number is for all High Power / F Class, right?

It is just for F-class. I doubt it includes Fullbore.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I'm one of those HM at MR and a Master at LR. I am just stuck at 97.9% and can't figure out how to get that last .1-.2% to break into HM territory.
A lack of registered LR matches is also a limiting factor. It seems that MR is more common.

Think Palma - lots of Palma.

 

[jr600yd]

It's just a lack of 1K ranges. Think of Florida. There are NO 1K ranges in the state. Hell, you gotta drive 600 miles just to get out of Florida.

 

[ShootDots]

I would be willing to bet there are NUMEROUS shooters that shoot sporadically who never reach "classification status" because they do not shoot enough. I know at Bayou Rifles we CONSTANTLY have new shooters come to the line and you don't see them again or for a good long while. Work, the cost of COMPETITIVE equipment, family life with young kids, driving distances etc..etc.. probably keep a good number of shooters from being classified, yet they shoot.. This is not a sport for those who are not in a financial position to be competitive.. The rifles alone can be prohibitively expensive, not to mention the constant cost of components! That's why I see the majority of regular shooters are well in advance of 45 years old..

 

[Medic505]

At Long Range (800-1000 yards), there are 1644 classified shooters. Currently, there are 108 recorded High Masters and 223 Masters.

Now if you could break that down into number of F-open shooters and F-TR shooters you'd have something. As someone above said "Palma, lots of Palma". I made HM at the Arizona state Palma Champ's by shooting 98.00 %. Not a good day. Since that time, I have put up some impressive Expert scores and a couple Master efforts, which I was really proud of. This all happened about the time there was a effort by the NRA to lower qualifying scores to have more shooters entered into the HM ranks. But, thanks to all that whined about making it too "easy" and who will probably never hold a HM card, that idea was shot in the foot. The last two years at BSN's there have been a total of 6 HM F-TR shooters in 2015 and 5 in 2016. Yes, and yours truly drug up in last place at both events. I'm currently seeking my classification to be lowered to Master by the NRA. As my scores indicate I should probably ask the be reinstated to Expert, the classification I held when all the stars lined up and I had one of those rare matches that everything just went right. The NRA had it going in the right direction.

 

[Medic505]

I see with that post, my 400th one, I must have moved up a classification. Does this make me an "Internet Sharpshooter" or "Internet Expert"? I know I'll never make "Internet High Master" as I just don't have that much information to dole out.

Another question, when you do make "Internet High Master" DO you HAVE to Scream every Other word TO get YOUR point ACROSS?

 

[Dgd6mm]

It's just a lack of 1K ranges. Think of Florida. There are NO 1K ranges in the state. Hell, you gotta drive 600 miles just to get out of Florida.

We were told at the end of 2015 when we tried out the electronic targets for the first time.
We should be alternating from 600 and 1000 yard f/class every other month at Camp Blanding. Today is a 600 yarder that I did not make, due to working out of town all last week , butt is dragging.....

 

[Iggyort]

It would be interesting to see the number of classified shooters by state.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

Another question, when you do make "Internet High Master" DO you HAVE to Scream every Other word TO get YOUR point ACROSS?

I must have missed the point - What did I miss?

 

[Scott Harris]

I see with that post, my 400th one, I must have moved up a classification. Does this make me an "Internet Sharpshooter" or "Internet Expert"? I know I'll never make "Internet High Master" as I just don't have that much information to dole out.

Another question, when you do make "Internet High Master" DO you HAVE to Scream every Other word TO get YOUR point ACROSS?

LOL, keep putting up posts like these and you'll be a high master in no time Dean!

 

[noload]

It's just a lack of 1K ranges. Think of Florida. There are NO 1K ranges in the state. Hell, you gotta drive 600 miles just to get out of Florida.

I shoot at the Manatee gun range in FL. where they have 300yd Registered F class, and also have a 1000yd range I believe they shoot gong, but no FClass LR at 1000. Pretty close to Sebring.

 

[Steve Blair]

I would suspect the main reason for the disparity between the numbers of Masters and HMs compared to total number of shooters in LR compared to MR has more to do with the number of ranges and matches that shoot MR compared to those that shoot LR.

You don't think that shooting 98% at 1000 is harder than at 600? I do.

 

[Medic505]

I think that would depend on what class you're shooting Steve. Worlds of difference between Open and TR.

 

[Medic505]

LOL, keep putting up posts like these and you'll be a high master in no time Dean!

Many more like that Scott and I may be busted back to "Weedhopper".

 

[MNFinn]

You don't think that shooting 98% at 1000 is harder than at 600? I do.

Having never shot 1000 yards, I still know it's harder than 600, which I think does account for some of the difference.
Speaking for myself, I set my personal goals for shooting incrementally. I hope to make MA or, if I get very fortunate, HM at MR this summer. If I make MA at MR, I plan to shooting LR. I just want to "Master" MR first

 

[Steve Blair]

I think that would depend on what class you're shooting Steve. Worlds of difference between Open and TR.

I've shot quite a bit of F-TR. Recent results show the F-TR leaders are getting closer to F-Open scores. That said: regardless the discipline, shooting 98% at 1000 is significantly more difficult than at 600. I was refuting the assertion that the main difference is match availability. I don't think so. Availability plays a part but it is just harder to keep them in the ten ring at 1000.

My home ranges at Camp Pendleton are two 600's, ranges 103 and 116, and one 1000 yard, range 117. I've shot many cleans at 103 and 116. To my knowledge, only one F-Class clean has been shot at 117. That is not because of availability. Both 600 yard and 1000 yard matches are fired most months. It's just harder.