Ending the question of how many record shots were fired
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shoot4fun
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Such a shame. A score of 92 won't win in 1,000 yard HG!
Maybe he DID get blown off!Nawww....he just got blown off paper and won't admit it!
shoot4fun
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I am pretty sure I know (it is a picture and not a real target) but which was actually called two shots?
newbieshooter
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Such a shame. A score of 92 won't win in 1,000 yard HG!
Maybe he DID get blown off!
....fortunately we have pits and the pit crew counts the impacts on the berm. All 10 impacts were in the same spot.... I can see how it becomes more difficult at matches without pits....
Exactly
Well here's an example. At the Memphis match in October the referees got called in 5 times in one day to look at targets that had 4 shots on. Three of the five were disqualified. That's nearly 10 percent of the field. The really BAD thing is the guys who DQed were new shooters. So how interested do you think they will be to shoot another registered match. This year got disqualified for having 4 shots on target (my double was center punched).
After the match I was able to get two of the targets for examination. Myself and others were able to find 5 shot on both targets. Wasn't easy to see or figure out, but they were there. This isn't a knock on the club or the referees. These were not easy targets to figure out. But this IS a growing problem and we owe it to the shooters to try and alleviated it much as possible.
Bart
And it’s not a good feeling....... If the club has electronic frames already set up for f class ...... just try it ....... bet the problem goes away.what have we got to loose?
JMayo
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R to L # 3 is two bullets. See the "petals" fill in to the left of the hole.
I've seen one that was so clean they dq'ed him. He was a top shooter .... He soon sold all his shooting stuff and went to racing cars on a dirt track ....
This game is cool as long as you're enjoying yourself ...but it's a bottomless pit to though money into.
Getting primers and powder are near nailing the coffin shut .....I'm gonna go back to fishing if things get so chity I can't enjoy it.
Alex Wheeler
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In 1k its pretty rare to get a true center punch. But in my experience shooters are honest, they will tell you if they only shot 4 or 9. If you have a dishonest guy in your game, he needs to find a new hobby. I like to give the benefit of doubt to the shooter if its uncertain.
Bart is right
Not really. There are clearly 10 shots on that target and I didn’t even see you shooting but ET’s are cheap. Cheaper than a backer system I would imagine
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CaptainMal
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This issue has been a problem at Manatee 600 IBS shoots. That target show above where you see petals angled - bullet yaw. I have seen four-hole targets where two or three are angled like that. The Bullets are not perfectly stable going in. Front or back, you cannot tell.
This year I am doing a form of “backer”. 12”x 12” 1/4 in pieces of coroplast behind the scoring center of each target. After much testing and the last Manatee shoot, you can see a meplat difference on the exit of that backer if there are two hits in what looks like one hole.
I looked at two that were clearly one hole and had twin meplat exits in the backer. Another in a sanctioned shoot showed a much wider exit the size of two meplats.
During last months’ Manatee IBS shoot we had three four-hole targets. Each time the backer clearly showed the truth.
As for buying and operating electronic targets, it might work as a backer. The thousands of dollars to purchase stuff like that and setting it all up sure would be a problem. Then you also have to deal with the wild shooters smashing into the frames and the splatter from close steel sighted plates damaging things.
It IS a problem. Shooters make mistakes and only shoot four. Shooters have bad luck and do hit into the same hole. Shooters have stability issues for various reasons, including wind, and the holes are not perfectly cut. These things do and have happened. Sure hoping the removable and cheap backers help. So far, they seem to be working.
This year I am doing a form of “backer”. 12”x 12” 1/4 in pieces of coroplast behind the scoring center of each target. After much testing and the last Manatee shoot, you can see a meplat difference on the exit of that backer if there are two hits in what looks like one hole.
I looked at two that were clearly one hole and had twin meplat exits in the backer. Another in a sanctioned shoot showed a much wider exit the size of two meplats.
During last months’ Manatee IBS shoot we had three four-hole targets. Each time the backer clearly showed the truth.
As for buying and operating electronic targets, it might work as a backer. The thousands of dollars to purchase stuff like that and setting it all up sure would be a problem. Then you also have to deal with the wild shooters smashing into the frames and the splatter from close steel sighted plates damaging things.
It IS a problem. Shooters make mistakes and only shoot four. Shooters have bad luck and do hit into the same hole. Shooters have stability issues for various reasons, including wind, and the holes are not perfectly cut. These things do and have happened. Sure hoping the removable and cheap backers help. So far, they seem to be working.
Great info! I’ll have to try. Thanks for your input
shoot4fun
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I think it is funny (haha) that for several years I've read posts by F_Class participants on here and other forums concerning the "terrible" issues with E-Targets NOT picking up all a shooters rounds fired.
Now, all the sudden, we see some of those same people extolling the virtue and the validity of the same targets. Yes, I know there is a difference in what Benchrest shooters expect from the system and what F-Class shooters expect but, in the end, the yak will be the same.
MD: "you were DQ'd for only four on target."
Shooter: "I am sure all five are there! The ET will verify that!"
MD: "ET only shows four sir."
Shooter: "That ET is junk!!!"
Also, everyone shooting IBS should remember one thing. It is the FRONT of the target that counts.
Now, all the sudden, we see some of those same people extolling the virtue and the validity of the same targets. Yes, I know there is a difference in what Benchrest shooters expect from the system and what F-Class shooters expect but, in the end, the yak will be the same.
MD: "you were DQ'd for only four on target."
Shooter: "I am sure all five are there! The ET will verify that!"
MD: "ET only shows four sir."
Shooter: "That ET is junk!!!"
Also, everyone shooting IBS should remember one thing. It is the FRONT of the target that counts.
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