Eliminator vs, Butch's

[joecob]

I've been using Bore Tech Eliminator to clean. I heard so much good about Butch's I
just got some, but it has so many dire warnings on the label... Did they just leave all
the warnings off the Eliminator?

Any opinions on which is better? Both say it won't hurt the barrel. :-\

 

[Martin52]

Before I started using Froglube, I used Butches on the carbon and Eliminator on the copper. I do not think it is a case of one or the other.

Martin

 

[jkohler]

To me some barrels clean better with brand x and some need brand A. Look with a borescope they seem to not lie! I know when I got mine I sure changed the way I clean different rifles.

 

[joecob]

To me some barrels clean better with brand x and some need brand A. Look with a borescope they seem to not lie! I know when I got mine I sure changed the way I clean different rifles.

I should have expected bore cleaner to be rifle specific. Seems like everything else is.

Martin, Does FrogLube remove copper?

 

[Bob3700]

For Stainless Steel bbls, Slip 2000 patched, brushed, n let it soak for the carbon. Then Rem-Clean for the copper. Now use the Bore Tech Eliminator to double check the copper is out.

It works on every SS bbl I own. Hawkeye says so.

Used Butches and have not seen the results of the above.

Bob

 

[Martin52]

To me some barrels clean better with brand x and some need brand A. Look with a borescope they seem to not lie! I know when I got mine I sure changed the way I clean different rifles.

Martin, Does FrogLube remove copper?

I said this in a recent post on this forum:

I have just started using Froglube, I do not believe it is marketed with copper removal in mind. The FL kit comprises a solvent and a paste. The solvent cleans the bore and the paste provides a protective coating that accoring to their website "seasons" the bore - see www.froglube.com -

Extract from the FL website (FAQ's) ...When a weapon is fired, carbon, lead, copper, brass and other fouling particles are produced. FrogLube is a heavy specific gravity food grade substance that creeps deep into the micro fissures of the metal and acts as if to ‘season’ the surface of the bore, any friction points and all areas treated with the lube. Once treated, fouling particles can no longer bond with metal surfaces, instead, they will be suspended in a detached state and easily wiped or brushed from the surface. This also applies to other loose fouling particles such as dirt, dust and sand.

The FL paste seems more directed towards providing a type of coating in the bore to prevent copper building up as fast as it would when a barrel is cleaned using the usual solvents. It's more about slowing the copper build up so that a match barrel may retain its accuracy requiring less frequent cleaning and ensure it's cold bore shots remain within the normal grouping.

After a match, I use 5-6 patches wet with FL solvent, patch out then use 2 patches with paste to coat the bore before storing until the next match, then patch out just before shooting again.

I can't say much more except that I am interested to see how my barrel goes in the coming weeks compared to my conventional cleaning regime.

Martin

 

[Bob3700]

The fouling builds up in layers. Copper under powder fouling.

Work on removing the contaminates in the order that they are formed.

Slip 2000 (or other carbon removal agent of your choice) gets worked in first allowed to soak after brushing. You need to let it get under the carbon and loosen the attachment to the bbl.

Next, Rem Clean, as the abrasive will work on the copper and any remaining carbon.

Bore Tech Eliminator will really go after whatever copper is left in the bbl. I use it as a double check to see how well the Rem Clean did its job.

Once that cycle is completed, I will borescope the bbl from both ends. Copper build up is greatest in the muzzle end of my bbls. so always check that first.

Look to see that the carbon is removed right in front of the area where the cartridge case ends. I use a good bronze bore brush in a larget size to accomplish this in my 308. l

Bob

 

[barnesuser28]

I have been only cleaning carbon for the past 182 shots on my 284 win with a bartlein 5r 1:8 twist and have been doing so with boretech C4. I push 3 wet patches down the bore, then let it sit for 5 minutes, then three more wet patches, let sit for 5 minutes, two wet patches of kroil and one dry patch. DONE I do this after every range trip. I just put 60 rounds down the barrel this weekend without cleaning and only had one land that had a small streak of copper holding on for dear life, i didnt touch it. For copper i use boretech CU+2, i do the same process as above but i do it until patches come out completely clean.

 

[joecob]

"Before I started using Froglube, I used Butches on the carbon and Eliminator on the copper. I do not think it is a case of one or the other."

Got it on the FrogLube, Martin. Sorry, I took your phrase 'Before I started using Froglube' to mean
that you had begun using it as a SOLE cleaning and maintenance agent. I looked the product up on
Midway and was confused so asked for clarification. Hope your new regimen works out well for you.
I really like the idea that it is human compatible.

Thanks, Joe