Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[dellet]

The US federal or state government can only stipulate "If you want to sell product X it must meet these standards" or "a percentage of them must meet...". A corporation can always opt not to sell the product at all, rather than go broke trying to meet the standard and still succeeding in the market. I'll say again: government cannot force a company to sell anything.

In other countries, governments have had to nationalize (assume control of) private companies to meet their economic goals. For example the UK has nationalized many industrial companies such as British Steel, Rolls-Royce, British Leyland, British Aerospace, and British Telecom to name just a few.

In the US, peacetime and post-WW II nationalizations have been rare, temporary and mostly involved financial institutions or transportation systems in distress, and "too big to fail" measures in the financial crisis of 2009.
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You’re absolutely correct, the government can’t force a manufacturer to sell anything. They can only control the price or profit.

The problem is, that same government can keep me from buying, importing or building a product unless it meets their mandate, if I want to use it. No matter how you slice it, the government is controlling the market.

This is an argument over semantics. This is like one of the old federal laws concerning automatic knives. Never illegal to own, just illegal to buy, sell, or transport.

 

[Brians356]

So youre saying you can go without health insurance, with no penalty?

Uh, never came close to saying that. Refresh my memory.
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[Brians356]

You’re absolutely correct, the government can’t force a manufacturer to sell anything.

Thank you! (Nothing else you said is germane.)
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[Brians356]

It's dawning on me now why AOC hasn't been laughed out of government.

I'll leave it to you chaps to sort out the little details, you're doing fine without me.
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[dellet]

Thank you! (Nothing else you said is germane.)
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Only because you choose to ignore the actual conversation.

The conversation is about what you will be allowed to buy in the future, and how that is being controlled by what will be allowed to be sold. Not by free market

 

[wedgy]

There are so many subsidies for "green" power that you can lose millions of dollars and still be in business butt(yes butt) in the real energy market of fossil fuel you are facing nothing but losses and penalties to go into business to provide the real source of reliable energy we need. I have watched several of the mirror on a focus point steam generation plant start ups all go under with a $30 million grant... form a non profit to save the planet, enrich your friends and relatives, grease the politicians who got the legislation passed, go broke, then start a new one to save the homeless. The bribery, sorry I meant lobbying in our political system is working exactly as it is supposed to. How else could someone become rich, like $200 million net worth(Pelosi) on $120k a year salary ??
If these phony greenies were real about global warming the 1st thing they would do is ban private jets and I'm all in for that, I'll amend my travel plans(haha). They should be starting dumpster fires outside of anyone's house who has a private jet in the name of saving the planet..... or just go after the little fish... nothing to see here.

 

[NorCalMikie]

Yes, i get a penalty if i drive without auto insurance of some type.

Not if you don't get caught!

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Not if you don't get caught!

I wonder sometimes if there are some that just buy a weeks worth so they can get their yearly inspection sticker.

 

[KMart]

I wonder sometimes if there are some that just buy a weeks worth so they can get their yearly inspection sticker.

You bet! A down payment on a 6 month liability policy and you are good to go. You don't even have to buy tags for your car. Just print out a paper tag, put it on your vehicle and away you go.
You live in Texas and know the population I am describing.
I think you can buy the insurance at the Fiesta stores.

 

[NorCalMikie]

In California, where Women are Women and so are some of the Men, you cancel or don't get Auto Ins, DMV will tag you and go after your checking account.
Stop registering a vehicle, don't pay tags for whatever reason, leave it sitting on your PRIVATE PROPERTY and DMV WILL go after the $$$$. Been there, had them do that, speaking from experience.
Was getting ready to tell B of A to kiss my ****, left maybe $50.00 in the account, DMV tagged the account and took the $50.00. They WERE trying to get $200.00+ but not enough $$$. And there isn't S*** you can do about it!!
Try fighting City Hall.

 

[KMart]

In California, where Women are Women and so are some of the Men, you cancel or don't get Auto Ins, DMV will tag you and go after your checking account.
Stop registering a vehicle, don't pay tags for whatever reason, leave it sitting on your PRIVATE PROPERTY and DMV WILL go after the $$$$. Been there, had them do that, speaking from experience.
Was getting ready to tell B of A to kiss my ****, left maybe $50.00 in the account, DMV tagged the account and took the $50.00. They WERE trying to get $200.00+ but not enough $$$. And there isn't S*** you can do about it!!
Try fighting City Hall.

The state probably spent $10,000 going after $200. But it helps keep the "private" collection agencies in business

 

[rwj]

The state probably spent $10,000 going after $200. But it helps keep the "private" collection agencies in business

When the number of federal and state employees are combined… where do they rank on the national level?

 

[KMart]

When the number of federal and state employees are combined… where do they rank on the national level?

I have no clue.

 

[NorCalMikie]

When the number of federal and state employees are combined… where do they rank on the national level?

Probably NOT doing any more than they ABSOLUTLY have to. Won't work, can't fire them. (Just like most politicians) They've got the UNION backing them.

 

[GotRDid]

 

[GotRDid]

There are so many subsidies for "green" power that you can lose millions of dollars and still be in business butt(yes butt) in the real energy market of fossil fuel you are facing nothing but losses and penalties to go into business to provide the real source of reliable energy we need. I have watched several of the mirror on a focus point steam generation plant start ups all go under with a $30 million grant... form a non profit to save the planet, enrich your friends and relatives, grease the politicians who got the legislation passed, go broke, then start a new one to save the homeless. The bribery, sorry I meant lobbying in our political system is working exactly as it is supposed to. How else could someone become rich, like $200 million net worth on $120k a year salary ??
If these phony greenies were real about global warming the 1st thing they would do is ban private jets and I'm all in for that, I'll amend my travel plans. They should be starting dumpster fires outside of anyone's house who has a private jet in the name of saving the planet..... or just go after the little fish... nothing to see here.

 

[wedgy]

 

[rr2030]

Probably NOT doing any more than they ABSOLUTLY have to. Won't work, can't fire them. (Just like most politicians) They've got the UNION backing them.

I worked for the state of CA for three years. Was in the same union as Fire and Police. I guarantee you, people could be, and were fired.

 

[NorCalMikie]

The state probably spent $10,000 going after $200. But it helps keep the "private" collection agencies in business

It wasn't THEIR MONEY so no problem. Spend away.

 

[Adam in WI]

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Lookie there, a perpetual motion machine