Don't remember this kind of reloading supply shortage before

[pirate ammo]

I guess it's "to hell with everybody else". I'm out.

What the man said, if I'm right, and that's not often goes like this. Went to Billy Bobs store, seen 10 pounds
H4350, bought 5 and left rest for others, came back a week later it's still there, well I'll just have to get it to.
Gave them a week as said "when you snooze you lose ". The only part that I'll add for myself is that I told someone that I had what they were searching for and they never bothered, well to late now it's gone. I've got STUFF for a long tine.

 

[bozo699]

I'm not trying to start an argument. I have all I need so I'm not belley achin'. However, I don't see the logic in "If I find 1lb or 100lb I'll buy it". I guess it's "to hell with everybody else". I'm out.

And we’re not going to argue, I value your opinions but I’ll burn 100 lbs of it before I die assuming I’ll live as long as my father so yes if I found 100lbs and I had the money yes I would buy it. If someone was standing there and said mr can I get some,.... absolutely!.. just like if you sent me a pm and said Wayne I need this or that,... if I felt I had more than plenty I would share with you or any other shooter. Am I a supply chain,... no!..
Do I have wayyyyy to much stuff?.. No!... but I have helped and been helped and will continue.
Happy New Year to you Rick
Wayne

 

[Rick300]

And we’re not going to argue, I value your opinions but I’ll burn 100 lbs of it before I die assuming I’ll live as long as my father so yes if I found 100lbs and I had the money yes I would buy it. If someone was standing there and said mr can I get some,.... absolutely!.. just like if you sent me a pm and said Wayne I need this or that,... if I felt I had more than plenty I would share with you or any other shooter. Am I a supply chain,... no!..
Do I have wayyyyy to much stuff?.. No!... but I have helped and been helped and will continue.
Happy New Year to you Rick
Wayne

Well sir, if you can burn 100lbs, you have my admiration. I can only wish I could do that!
Happy New Year to you also.

 

[hogpatrol]

At the range today, there is no shortage of ammo in my neck of the woods. It sound like the fourth of July. Was there yesterday, same scenario.

 

[JSH]

Don’t remember a shortage like this before?
Man I must be getting old. Let’s see for some reason this happens every 4 years or so.........
If a body just noticed they have not shot or loaded much in the past 30-40 years.

What is it Earl Pitts says “Wake Up America”!

 

[DHuffman]

We got our forest service tree permits this year as we always do.
Dug up 2 really nice fat douglas fir.
Planted 1 in the yard, put the other in a big nursery pot and brought it in the house.
No decorations this year just the tree.
Its getting planted today.

I never thought about digging one up....

I took an axe and chopped one down Paul Bunyon style. Next year I may just get two permits and follow your lead.

You're gonna think I used the same axe on that stock I sent you today

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Well sir, if you can burn 100lbs, you have my admiration. I can only wish I could do that!
Happy New Year to you also.

Start shooting a ppc. We used to buy it by the keg (45-46lbs) and was ready to test the next years lot. I guess its all in what discipline you shoot in but a ppc burning 30grs a pop goes thru it in a real hurry if you shoot in matches.

 

[davidjoe]

This primer and powder shortage for me the typical match shooter, equates to raising gas prices to $25 a gallon and doubling the price of hotel rooms.

But it’s not ancillary considerations like lodging, transportation or Covid policy restrictions, nor even any legislative 2A clamp down, that’s going put the crimp on my “away” matches, it’s coming straight out of our gun industry itself.

If we didn’t have food, we’d be plenty vocal about why exactly we think that is. Of course I’m grateful for every facet of the firearms industry, but if I’m typical, the primer suppliers right now are going cost the match specialists in barrel, bullet, powder and brass making, and ranges hosting matches themselves, money on this loaded-ammo-allocation. We need more choices and less consolidation in this area. None of us would go shoot our last bullets in a club match, or dip uncomfortably into an irreplaceable stash for even a big match.

 

[LHSmith]

If the companies are so far behind in primer production, how are they ever going to catch up given all their excuses for falling behind in the first place. Explain to me how with production already @100% and Remington in question, and Russian products not an option how they catch-up without building new production facilities..........or are they hesitant to do so out of fear of big governments attempts to restrict the use of firearms .....especially in light of the new administration coming in. In my region I see companies build huge facilities and due to rapid growth move out in 5-10 years because they outgrew the facility just to maintain marketshare......perhaps not a consideration here since it seems the production is down to only 2 corporations-- perhaps THAT is the biggest problem.

 

[Rset]

Start shooting a ppc. We used to buy it by the keg (45-46lbs) and was ready to test the next years lot. I guess its all in what discipline you shoot in but a ppc burning 30grs a pop goes thru it in a real hurry if you shoot in matches.

Let see, that would appear to be somewhere around 10,500+ plus rounds per keg. 10,500 rounds a year / 365 days = 875 rounds a month. So, a barrel every one to two months. Sure am glad I don't shoot a PPC with those huge powder requirements.

 

[Bc'z]

I never thought about digging one up....

I took an axe and chopped one down Paul Bunyon style. Next year I may just get two permits and follow your lead.

You're gonna think I used the same axe on that stock I sent you today

Mama left me on the second tree to do it myself. I spotted it a couple hundred yards away from 1 I thought I wanted.
Sucker had a 8" but on it.

 

[cheek9075]

Let see, that would appear to be somewhere around 10,500+ plus rounds per keg. 10,500 rounds a year / 365 days = 875 rounds a month. So, a barrel every one to two months. Sure am glad I don't shoot a PPC with those huge powder requirements.

I shoot 1 maybe 2 matches a month, shooting 4 rifle between 3 of us, myself and 2 sons. 400-800 rounds a month. Doesnt take long to burn bullets, primers, and powder shooting 8 months a year. Even if only 1 match a month is 3200, 2 a month is 6400 +. Plus the extra rounds we shoot (rifle and pistol). I could easily shoot 8k-10k a year. I buy when I see it and think I need it. I have also got barrels with 5k rounds on them and still placing in top 3 in the matches. One barrel has 3k on it and set a record. I'm not good by any means and never claim to be. Rounds and consumption of power, primers, and bullets add up quick.

I also plan for needs of food. We still have a beef and hog killed yearly. When COVID first started people at work where worried about food. I wonder why on earth, we have meat in freezer and veggies in cans home grown. They didn't, I never understood why. When I see meat at stores on sale I buy it. Need it? With a freezer full of meat? If its a deal why not.

Do I find myself short as of today, no. Will I fill short hand next fall, yes. You have to plan ahead of what you need in times like these. If I was short on food, I would be rethinking my stock pile.

 

[cheek9075]

Let’s look at the bright side. There are 7 million new gun owners. These are people that got off the fence and landed on our side.

I know 2 personally and they still voted the wrong way! If 7 million new gun owners are still voting for the wrong side it doesn't help things, just makes them worse. Not political here at all, just a statement. New gun owners help yes, but are they really on our side?

 

[bozo699]

I shoot 1 maybe 2 matches a month, shooting 4 rifle between 3 of us, myself and 2 sons. 400-800 rounds a month. Doesnt take long to burn bullets, primers, and powder shooting 8 months a year. Even if only 1 match a month is 3200, 2 a month is 6400 +. Plus the extra rounds we shoot (rifle and pistol). I could easily shoot 8k-10k a year. I buy when I see it and think I need it. I have also got barrels with 5k rounds on them and still placing in top 3 in the matches. One barrel has 3k on it and set a record. I'm not good by any means and never claim to be. Rounds and consumption of power, primers, and bullets add up quick.

I also plan for needs of food. We still have a beef and hog killed yearly. When COVID first started people at work where worried about food. I wonder why on earth, we have meat in freezer and veggies in cans home grown. They didn't, I never understood why. When I see meat at stores on sale I buy it. Need it? With a freezer full of meat? If its a deal why not.

Do I find myself short as of today, no. Will I fill short hand next fall, yes. You have to plan ahead of what you need in times like these. If I was short on food, I would be rethinking my stock pile.

100% spot on!.....
Wayne

 

[WEL]

The only way this ends is if people calm down and quit hoarding. If people keep panic buying the supply will take that much longer to catch up. As someone who works in manufacturing there is a limit to how much you can produce without a major capital investment. That can take a year or years to come on line and by then the demand may have dropped so you are left holding the bag. Primers of course are being sucked into ammo production because these guys have contracts and get first dibs. I was at cabelas today and guys were just snatching up 5.56 ammo.By the time I left they were wiped out of what they had.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I think it will catch back up at some point. The general population doesn’t have the cash flow to be real hoarders, pay checks are already stretched too thin on just living costs.

 

[bozo699]

The only way this ends is if people calm down and quit hoarding. If people keep panic buying the supply will take that much longer to catch up. As someone who works in manufacturing there is a limit to how much you can produce without a major capital investment. That can take a year or years to come on line and by then the demand may have dropped so you are left holding the bag. Primers of course are being sucked into ammo production because these guys have contracts and get first dibs. I was at cabelas today and guys were just snatching up 5.56 ammo.By the time I left they were wiped out of what they had.

Nobody that buys from stores like sportsman’s, Cabelas etc. are not hoarding!... they have limits and have had for months!... most of the ones effected right now are procrastinators and or people to cheap to spend when there are products!... I’ve got friends that drive all over looking for diesel .01 cheaper than anywhere else!... spent $4.00 saving .09!... I have no clue if diesel is .39 per gallon or $11.00 per gallon my pickup won’t run without it so I fill it everyday and never look at price,... same with primers, powder, bullets and brass,... I call Bruno’s and say send me this this and this!... these sniveling threads and cry baby procrastinators calling everybody hoarders are getting old!
Wayne

 

[mensajd]

You would think the manufacturers would get ready for this every four years event. They would have record sales.

I don’t think the manufacturers could have anticipated the current excess demand because it is something of a Black Swan event. Election cycle? Somewhat predictable but you still have guess the winner correctly because the demand curve is affected differently depending on who wins. Guess wrong and you’re hosed. Civil unrest, riots, and worldwide global pandemic? Kudos to everyone who correctly anticipated that.

P.S. Most ammo manufacturers and their suppliers ARE having record sales.

 

[WEL]

Nobody that buys from stores like sportsman’s, Cabelas etc. are not hoarding!... they have limits and have had for months!... most of the ones effected right now are procrastinators and or people to cheap to spend when there are products!... I’ve got friends that drive all over looking for diesel .01 cheaper than anywhere else!... spent $4.00 saving .09!... I have no clue if diesel is .39 per gallon or $11.00 per gallon my pickup won’t run without it so I fill it everyday and never look at price,... same with primers, powder, bullets and brass,... I call Bruno’s and say send me this this and this!... these sniveling threads and cry baby procrastinators calling everybody hoarders are getting old!
Wayne

Cabelas has a limit of five. So the guy buys 5 400 round cans of 556. Whay you think he’s doing with that? He’s going to resell it. They had several boxes of one caliber rifle ammo. This dude probably doesnt shoot a box a year so he buys 5 boxes. Now multiply that shit by the hundreds of thousands. It adds up. We seethe same thing here during hurricane season. Everyone runs out of gas because people panic and keep topping off their gas tanks. Imagine if people were so afraid we were going to run out of gasoline they keep their tanks full. You have just doubled the demand and there is no way the supply keeps up. It only stops when people calm down and buy what they need.

 

[bozo699]

Cabelas has a limit of five. So the guy buys 5 400 round cans of 556. Whay you think he’s doing with that? He’s going to resell it. They had several boxes of one caliber rifle ammo. This dude probably doesnt shoot a box a year so he buys 5 boxes. Now multiply that shit by the hundreds of thousands. It adds up. We seethe same thing here during hurricane season. Everyone runs out of gas because people panic and keep topping off their gas tanks. Imagine if people were so afraid we were going to run out of gasoline they keep their tanks full. You have just doubled the demand and there is no way the supply keeps up. It only stops when people calm down and buy what they need.

I drive 40 miles a day from ranch to sawmill, I fill my tank daily and always have and always will!... you never know what might happen what emergency might come up! I have somewhere around 30 vehicles and a half dozen tractors and there all full!... How do you know this guy doesn’t shoot a ar a lot!... how do you know he doesn’t plink a lot?.... however capitalism is what has made this country great so more power to him whichever way he is doing it.
Wayne