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Does this exist? Varmint/elk switch barrel

Bingo! Generally the capability of the shooter is inferior to that of the cartridge (with a proper bullet). I would not hestate shooting an elk at 500yd with my 308, given a stable position and suitable wind. In the spirit of the OP to me the debates over cartridge, bullet, velocity, etc are secondary to shooters ability and taking a decent shot; most modern cartridges can get the job done.
 
Not really gonna choose the .308win to serve for harvesting Elk, are you?

The OP wants a switchbarrel gun. They are fun to own. No need to "make-do".... Might consider though, that there is a cartridge that will DO IT ALL... Talking 6.5x284.... OP wants a 6mm for his varmint gun. Okay, so 6.5mm is close. The 6.5mm IS a well regarded caliber for Elk; lots of great bullets. The .264 win mag is an elk performer, as is the 6.5-06.

Maybe the switchbarrel ought be a matter of barrel contours and lengths? Almost forgot stocks... If you "need" a 6mm varmint ctg in order to buck the wind better than a .22 cal ctg, then how's the 6.5mm and especially the 6.5x284 not gonna deliver even better performance? If you're gonna shoot elk across canyons, how's the extra performance not gonna benefit you? Not delivering extra tons of kinetic energy, like a big magnum, but will deliver the best ballistic coefficient performance until you get to the heavy match .338 bullets.

Could probably use a light varmint barrel contour to start off with for both elk and varmints; unless you backpack for elk. If don't need the power of the 6.5x284, then the .260rem is another option. 1000yd performer on targets/varmints and will serve for elk with careful shot selection.

Lots of fairly new bullets for the .277/6.8mm. A .270win might be another single ctg option. There are lots of options, but... There are fluted stainless varmint factory rifles out there in .270win, and .30-06, as well as .25-06. Thinking of the Rem 700 Senderos. Had a .300win mag Sendero SF that I fitted into a Mickey Edge and the barrel channel edges fit just inside the side barrel flutes so it did free-float. Shot well and was under 10lbs with a tactical scope.

If you want to go full-bore switchbarrel, I've had great luck with Win 70 bolts being reliably interchangeable. A magnum bolt body and .476 bolt body will enable whatever you want. Having several switch guns, my opinion is that one chambering that can serve several different purposes is about the best option going. The 6.5x284 has a bad rep for barrel life, but it is the most capable performer. Any big 6mm varmint ctg is going to have poor barrel life. If you hunt with one and varmint with the other, maybe the idea is to buy 2 varmint barrels and one sporter contour all from same maker and have the varmint jobs throated for your preferred bullet and the sporter barrel throated for the full gamut???

Seems like the old adage of "beware the man with one rifle" applies in spades in this situation. Knowing your ballistics like the back of your hand can only be a good thing. With only one ctg to load for, nice to have them Lapua and Norma brass. Great bullet selection. Great cartridge performance. Might try and find David Tubbs' video The One Mile Shot. The 6.5x284 will do it all...
 
Hogan I have been using 300WM for elk hunting but also have a 308 and 6.5x47 I would use. Why? Reading as many medical, military, and fact based studies as I could find leads to the same conclusion that the wound channel / tissue damage is what matters. I know other hunters prefer to focus on energy or pass through penetration. In every elk I've shot the Berger has exhibited textbook performance, enter several inches, fragment, and destroy massive tissue. According to Berger the terminal velocity should be min 1700fps for this performance, which many calibers will do at considerable distance. I shoot the 6.5 and 308 a lot, know their trajectories/ ballistics, and their operation is second nature; this is more important to me than a little more horsepower. The guides I've hunted with echo the same.
 
I would ask myself do I need two barrels? Simple thinking would be also don't I need two different scopes and different stocks .
Sounds like two different guns is the best answer . Larry
 
Charlie,

Your comments remind me of Barnes loading manual writeup touting their bullets. While the .308win is a very versatile round, it is not a first choice for Elk. Probably not a first choice even for Mule Deer. Hunters tend to seek all the edge, within reason, that they can find; especially where ballistic flight and energy are concerned. I don't really care what any bulletmaker says. They're in business to sell bullets and the product is one that offers little analysis potential much even less a warranty that it will perform as advertised.

Why not load up a Marlin 336 with Barnes 170gr in .30-30 or 250gr in .35rem and take to the game trails? Undoubtedly, some do and enjoy success. Just not that either cartridge has the reserve capacity to serve all manner of circumstances. I dunno, if you live on a ranch in WY and know where your game beds-down and grazes, then you can select a .22-250 or maybe a Hornet to take your elk... Caribou are rather similar to elk, except at the heavier trophy weights. They are easily killed without premium bullets. A favorite in Alaska is the Core-Lokt. Point is that while a .308win can kill reliably, it does not deliver its power with the same performance as the .30-06, or have the trajectory performance of the 7mm-08 or .260rem. The 6.5x55 swedish is another great all-around ctg, especially the AI'd version.

If the goal were occasional varminting and consistent large game taking, I'll say that the .30-06AI is a great choice. Shoot light match bullets at the varmints and up to 220gr for moose or bear. Plink with cast boolits for even more fun! Had a .308AI for a few years; very versatile but...

Just not really an elk cartridge to my mind. I have written that a fast twist barreled AR-15 could take elk when loaded with 77gr bthp match bullets. I am sure elk have been killed with .22lr if not shorts. Maybe elk hunting with a 6.5 Grendel barreled AR upper is a feasible thing; would not be something I'd do. Yet a .260rem barreled AR-10 seem another thing altogether.

While I have several switchbarrel rifles, each w/3 or more different chambered barrels, still like the idea of one ctg and several barrel lengths and/or contours. One rifle does accommodate a sporter barrel and match barrel in two chamberings, .300win and .338/300wubcalibers.
 
I would ask myself do I need two barrels? Simple thinking would be also don't I need two different scopes and different stocks .
Sounds like two different guns is the best answer . Larry
How much room you got in your safe?

I have a TRG-42 in .300win, .300win sporter, .338/300win sporter and match. would need 4 rifles, except I can load using Sierra's accuracy load and it works. I can keep a log of scope settings and use a Bushnell 74-3333 boresight/collimator to track zeros and re-set zeros. The TRG-42 stock works great no matter what barrel contour. I have a TRG-S in .340wby also, and the TRG-S sporter stock will accept the TRG-42 barrel.

Rem 700 and Win 70s have also done many in switchbarrel. AR rifles are really versatile for upper change in the field.

Lots to be learned about gunsmithing if you switchbarrel. Not necessarily in order to do it, but knowledge gained from doing it.
 
As I noted Hogan everyone will not agree on what is important for terminal ballistics, that is why various options sell. One needs to make an informed decision on a topic such as this, and only use internet advice as one factor. I am recounting my perspective based upon research of published studies, personal experience, and discussions with guides/outfitters who have hosted hundreds of hunters. There is always a never ending step up the ladder to a larger caliber, higher velocity, more power; but the main question is what is ADEQUATE for your max range/purpose? And more importantly how well you can shoot it? I did not say the 308 was my first choice for elk, or the best choice, but that it and a host of other cartridges are adequate, so the OP would hopefully continue to explore/research options that may provide a better overall fit to his intended uses which we do not know. And I do use a 30-30 for whitetails, where it is adequate; but your example for elk is simply hyperbole.
 
It is all shot placement . I have a friend that got two with one shot shooting 100 GR muzzy broadheads shooting a bow and arrow
Never touched bone . Complete pass through on the first . 12" penetration on the second .
Skill definitely not luck 100% . Larry

People who believe in "100% skill" have either never BEEN in the woods........or shouldn't be, ever.
 
As I noted Hogan everyone will not agree on what is important for terminal ballistics, that is why various options sell. One needs to make an informed decision on a topic such as this, and only use internet advice as one factor. I am recounting my perspective based upon research of published studies, personal experience, and discussions with guides/outfitters who have hosted hundreds of hunters. There is always a never ending step up the ladder to a larger caliber, higher velocity, more power; but the main question is what is ADEQUATE for your max range/purpose? And more importantly how well you can shoot it? I did not say the 308 was my first .choice for elk, or the best choice, but that it and a host of other cartridges are adequate, so the OP would hopefully continue to explore/research options that may provide a better overall fit to his intended uses which we do not know. And I do use a 30-30 for whitetails, where it is adequate; but your example for elk is simply hyperbole.

Hyperbole? As in exaggeration? I dunno. Can kill an elk with almost any rifle or centerfire handgun. For sure a 77gr matchking from a .223rem will kill elk. Kind of depends on your hunting style. Lots of longrange hunters pursue elk. A 500yd shot is mid-range to those guys shooting off a portable bench across canyon(s). Would I choose a .223rem for elk? Assuredly not.

I have tried to rationalize the purchase of a 7mm-08 or .260rem AR-10 upper for many years. At the time, I owned a 6mm International AI upper. This is basically a .01 longer 6mm XC. Great 1000yd or varmint ctg, incidentally. I decided not much reason for me to own an AR-10 in any chambering other than .308win. Same conclusion about AR-15s; stick to 5.56 w/75 or 77gr match bullets. At 500yds the 77gr hits with more energy than a 158gr factory loaded .357mag (from 6" or longer barrel) at 25yds. Hyperbole or Kinetic Energy?

The subject here is switchbarreling with purpose being to enable (presumably longrange) varminting with a 6mm ctg and another ctg specifically for Elk.

Why need 2 different ctgs if one will serve? Could have endorsed the 6.5saum or 6.5/300wsm; but not as versatile as the 6.5x284.

Have a .338-06AI.... a .338/284 would be about identical, yet better for bullet seating flexibilities. But, as I might shoot a moose with greater likelihood than a caribou; mostly I carry & shoot a .338 magnum. Guess that a 6.5x284 and a .338x284 would make a fine combo; yet I have a .260rem palma barrel that I switch on a long action receiver.

Not many cartridges as versatile as the 6.5x284. Wide range of bullets to choose from, some super-high Ballistic Coefficients.

Armalite and others have chambered AR-10s for the .300saum. Olympic has chambered 15s for the 6mm wssm. Then there is the 6.5 Grendel which will surely suffice to take elk. Have seen some 6.5saum chamberings discussed for AR-10 rifles. Pretty affordable to own one AR receiver and a couple of uppers. Almost talked myself into a 6.5 Grendel or 6mm AR on couple of occasions.

Savage 110 series rifles are made for switchbarreling, but I've never owned one. Was going to rechamber the 6mm Intl AI to 6x284, but sanity prevailed.

To really take advantage of the varminting potential of the 6.5x284 with light bullets, you go with the correct twist on your varmint barrel. Your sporter barrel goes 1:8 or 1:7.7 for your selected 140gr bullet. Might find that the sporter barrel will serve for varminting, if you time your shots so as not to overheat. Light varmint contour w/flutes just might enable it all for the OP , if keep inside the 120-142gr bullet range.
 
Update, I picked up a trued 700 s/a dasher for varmint duty(sold the savage pta I had laying around) I already had dies and components so that was great. Now on to the hunting carry big game rig. Thanks for all the replys.
 
My brother in-law has a Thompson center dimension as his main hunting rifle. I have not seen it in person yet but he is very happy with it. The switch barrel setup lets you swap out to a dozen different calibers, from 204 ruger to 300 winmag. From their website:

Rifle Barrels

Barrels fit all stocks and receivers, right or left-handed. Barrels come packaged with the correct magazine group (magazine and housing), and are stamped with series letters A, B, C or D to help you easily identify the correct magazine group and bolt required.



http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/bolt-action-rifles/dimension/components
 
Sorry I forgot to put in original post repeater only but thanks for the replys. I have the varmint side covered now and am looking into the big game side now!
 
they have magazines...

Thompson Center Dimension 7mm-08 and 22-250, 2 barrel set with 2 magazines
Sorry, was thinking the single barrel models. I'm leaning toward the 28 nosler for the big game rig, found a 6 dasher for the varmint rig. I was dead set on 6mm as I have dies and lots of components. I simplified my loading life a while back and went heavy on 6 mm. Made loading life easier.
 
I am wanting to build a gun that can handle double duty. One action, one stock, one scope, two barrels, a good adjustable trigger is a must. Duties will be varmint(coyote,p dogs, 6mm only, 600ish yards range) 80 percent of the time and elk 20 percent(700ish yards and in with authority). This will be a carry gun so weight is a concern, 9 pounds or less with scope ,less is better. Can One gun do this without sacrificing performance on either end or is two the question? Thanks


As a long time elk hunter, I have tremendous respect for these magnificent animals and their ability to soa
I am wanting to build a gun that can handle double duty. One action, one stock, one scope, two barrels, a good adjustable trigger is a must. Duties will be varmint(coyote,p dogs, 6mm only, 600ish yards range) 80 percent of the time and elk 20 percent(700ish yards and in with authority). This will be a carry gun so weight is a concern, 9 pounds or less with scope ,less is better. Can One gun do this without sacrificing performance on either end or is two the question? Thanks

My computer crashed so lets try this again. The elk deserves the utmost respect in that it is, as said above, a magnificent animal with an inordinate ability to soak up lead. An elk on a private ranch with no other hunters can be cleanly harvested with the 243 family of cartridges but an elk that has been stressed for months (bow, muzzleloader, hikers, 4-wheelers, etc.) on public land is a whole different animal. For that elk, I use a 300 Wby but any of the 7mmMags, 30-06, 300s will do a fine job. I understand your interest in switch barrels and think it might work. My respect for elk is such that I feel I must use a dedicated rifle with a quality scope (Leupold is my choice). My son joined me for our 2016 elk hunt on public land and we managed to find a nice bull which he hit 3 times at about 250 yds with a 260 using 140gr Nosler AccuBonds. All were good hits and went through the boiler room but the elk kept on going. As he was going through a saddle that dropped into a nasty canyon I decided I needed to help so I hit him with one 180gr in the 300 Wby. He went about 2 more yards and fell over dead. Could have been going down anyway but I do not like packing elk out of nasty canyons!

Bullet placement is still the best way to kill an elk but on pressured elk, I am an advocate of using enough gun as your shots are often less than ideal and on a moving target. Too many of these animals are wounded and escape to die later.

Just my 2 cents as an old, crusty elk hunter.
 

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