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Thanks everyone for your contribution to my question, after reading everything and analyzing options, I am going to keep the V10 F-250. I figured out that some of the options I have with it are better than buying a new truck. I am going to try a few things as follows:

1. new plugs, and coil on plugs.
2. add mikes 5 star tuner, that will alter tranny performace while towing
3. reinstall a wing to direct windflow over the RV

milage may be declining due to not replacing plugs at 100k, thats probably why I have seen a decrease in around town milage, when I bougt the truck it used to be 13 mpg around town. I keep all the fluids change out on required schedules. Then i need to figure out what the rear differential ratio is, which may not be optimal for what I am towing.
 
Thanks everyone for your contribution to my question, after reading everything and analyzing options, I am going to keep the V10 F-250. I figured out that some of the options I have with it are better than buying a new truck. I am going to try a few things as follows:

1. new plugs, and coil on plugs.
2. add mikes 5 star tuner, that will alter tranny performace while towing
3. reinstall a wing to direct windflow over the RV

milage may be declining due to not replacing plugs at 100k, thats probably why I have seen a decrease in around town milage, when I bougt the truck it used to be 13 mpg around town. I keep all the fluids change out on required schedules. Then i need to figure out what the rear differential ratio is, which may not be optimal for what I am towing.
A full tune up and synthetic fluids will bring back some of that mileage. With that weight you are borderline with 3.73 and 4.10s. If you're a 250 then I would imagine you have 3.73. If a 350 you'd have to check. The sticker in the door jam should tell you.

You can buy a lot of fuel for what a new truck will cost!
 
Thanks Geno, I will look at that, I currently use a high milage synthetic and they just put synthetic in the rear diff. About a month ago.
 
Lead Slinger sure has been "on the money" with his responses.

There are no more Dodge trucks today. RAM is what they are. Amazing how so many responded but only one cleared that up.

Back to the original issue, 9,000 lbs is doable with a 1500. To me it's on the top end of legality and safety. I would not do that on a regular basis. You will need a 3/4 ton (2500).

My experience is about 175,000 miles with a '90's GM diesel, 160,000 on a GM Duramax, 241,000 on a "Dodge" 2500 Cummins and now 65,000 miles on a RAM Ecodiesel.
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Forget anything with a gasoline engine. No matter what you would buy the engine will scream with high rpm's and return towing mileage in the single digits. Towing and gasoline engines are NOT compatible. You can do it but prepare for those two issues and add another...gas engines are for horsepower. You get that with rpm's. End of that discussion.

Diesels are for low rpm and torque. Torque ratings MOVE things ... like trailers. Today there are different options with diesel. Right now the only 1/2 ton (1500) that might work is the Ram Ecodiesel, like mine. I say "No" althought it will tow and empty yield 26-28 mpg, you should use the Ecodiesel to tow with less than 8,000 lbs +- total trailer weight. Forget what Ford says about their Ecoboost gas engines. The unreliable pigs suck fuel towing or empty and scream rpms, like all gassers. Sure they can tow but you would not want to be the one doing it.

The 2500's from GM use a newer edition of the older Duramax. The one I had broke down with regularity because of Bosch defective injectors. Later the Allison transmission came apart. I think the newer ones are much better.

The new Ford Powerstrokes are an expensive beast. Yes, the older 6.0 L engines were a disaster that mostly tore apart Ford credibility for customer satisfaction and long-trashed their reputation. The newer ones - big and complex V8 diesels, are better. Sure there are still some major failures but not remotely like the older ones. Good ones were the old 7.3L engines. That's over 10 years ago.

Ram is Cummins. It's an in-line 6 cylinder engine that has defined reliability in pickup trucks. Lately the engine sixe was increased to 6.7 L from the classic 5.9L model. Still good, it and ALL the diesels, are saddled with EPA choking. All have to use DEF and also feature DPF particulate filters and overburdening EGR systems. Rather than get into what all that means, the affects are easier to understand.

The DEF systems use that urea fluid to inject into the exhaust. Sometimes there are sensor problems covered under Federal mandated emission warranties. Ram uses simple filler arrangements and you normally fill say once every 10,000 miles at truck stops. Normally you get over 1,000 miles per gallon of DEF at about $2.70 a gallon at the truck stops. It's a non-issue economically.

GM has a stupid tank low and problematic hanging under the truck. You have to fill under the hood. A real PIA. Ford is like Ram, no issue but the sensor issues.

All will pull your weight easily and safely. All will return fuel mileage towing in the lower double digits. All will be close to 20 mpg unloaded but the Ram/Cummins is the best there. It's also the most reliable and proven of the power plants.

Know that is helpful and I also know I am correct. Remember, I did NOT recommend any 1500, including my Ram Ecodiesel.
 
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Lead Slinger sure has been "on the money" with his responses.

There are no more Dodge trucks today. RAM is what they are. Amazing how so many responded but only one cleared that up.

Back to the original issue, 9,000 lbs is doable with a 1500. To me it's on the top end of legality and safety. I would not do that on a regular basis. You will need a 3/4 ton (2500).

My experience is about 175,000 miles with a '90's GM diesel, 160,000 on a GM Duramax, 241,000 on a "Dodge" 2500 Cummins and now 65,000 miles on a RAM Ecodiesel.
IMG_3885_zpscspb7qcs.jpg


Forget anything with a gasoline engine. No matter what you would buy the engine will scream with high rpm's and return towing mileage in the single digits. Towing and gasoline engines are NOT compatible. You can do it but prepare for those two issues and add another...gas engines are for horsepower. You get that with rpm's. End of that discussion.

Diesels are for low rpm and torque. Torque ratings MOVE things ... like trailers. Today there are different options with diesel. Right now the only 1/2 ton (1500) that might work is the Ram Ecodiesel, like mine. I say "No" althought it will tow and empty yield 26-28 mpg, you should use the Ecodiesel to tow with less than 8,000 lbs +- total trailer weight. Forget what Ford says about their Ecoboost gas engines. The unreliable pigs suck fuel towing or empty and scream rpms, like all gassers. Sure they can tow but you would not want to be the one doing it.

The 2500's from GM use a newer edition of the older Duramax. The one I had broke down with regularity because of Bosch defective injectors. Later the Allison transmission came apart. I think the newer ones are much better.

The new Ford Powerstrokes are an expensive beast. Yes, the older 6.0 L engines were a disaster that mostly tore apart Ford credibility for customer satisfaction and long-trashed their reputation. The newer ones - big and complex V8 diesels, are better. Sure there are still some major failures but not remotely like the older ones. Good ones were the old 7.3L engines. That's over 10 years ago.

Ram is Cummins. It's an in-line 6 cylinder engine that has defined reliability in pickup trucks. Lately the engine sixe was increased to 6.7 L from the classic 5.9L model. Still good, it and ALL the diesels, are saddled with EPA choking. All have to use DEF and also feature DPF particulate filters and overburdening EGR systems. Rather than get into what all that means, the affects are easier to understand.

The DEF systems use that urea fluid to inject into the exhaust. Sometimes there are sensor problems covered under Federal mandated emission warranties. Ram uses simple filler arrangements and you normally fill say once every 10,000 miles at truck stops. Normally you get over 1,000 miles per gallon of DEF at about $2.70 a gallon at the truck stops. It's a non-issue economically.

GM has a stupid tank low and problematic hanging under the truck. You have to fill under the hood. A real PIA. Ford is like Ram, no issue but the sensor issues.

All will pull your weight easily and safely. All will return fuel mileage towing in the lower double digits. All will be close to 20 mpg unloaded but the Ram/Cummins is the best there. It's also the most reliable and proven of the power plants.

Know that is helpful and I also know I am correct. Remember, I did NOT recommend any 1500, including my Ram Ecodiesel.


I'm Sure you are "right". If that is so, why do they make other brands?
 
Technology is never-ending. My little 3.5L V6 makes 375 hp, and 470 pounds-feet of torque at 2500 rpm in stock form. Torque to get me moving, and horsepower to keep me there, while burning regular unleaded gas. I also get 25 mpg on the highway. No screaming from the engine. Things have changed, and some just won't admit it. Before I traded, I drove the latest and greatest on the market. I found the EcoDiesel to be a wannabe, lacking enough grit in it's chit, along with it's reduced towing capacity and payload, and bought another EcoBoost;) Horsepower and torque:cool: Pure American made get-up & go:D
 
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If your dead set on a gas engine consider the Toyota Tundra. These trucks are over engineered


If you have not seen this vid watch till the end.
 
I'm a 3.5L Ecoboost (5 star tuned) fanboy myself as far as 1/2 tons go. I just picked up my older 5000# capacity forklift this morning and brought it home on an 18' flatbed trailer. It got 7 mpg on the trip home. It handles these kinds of loads better than Ford's 6.2L or Chevy's 6.0. I tried to live with a F250 6.2L, also tuned by 5 star, but it just felt like you were pulling the guts out of it with the same load and mileage was very comparable. All that said, if I pull anything bigger than this, a Duramax gets hooked on.

Just saw this and couldn't help myself. :)
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I currently use an F-250 V-10 to pull our 9000lb travel trailer to shoots, It typically averages 7.5 mpg which sucks. I am thinking about a new Dodge with either the 5.7 liter or the new 6.4 liter. I am looking for guys that can give me feedback that are using either engine and what kind of mileage your getting while towing! The dealer just told me they avg 18mpg but had no towing mileage estimates! I used to own diesel trucks, but diesel fuel prices are always 70-80 cents more than unleaded reg, plus everything on a diesel is more expensive. Any info will help, so tell me what your using.

Go diesel! Ya it's a little higher but you buy less of it, go farther, and the resale on a diesel is a lot higher, at least in our area. I have two rams right now, a 2006 mega cab with a 5.9 and G56 6 speed manual ( tons of power) 18-23 mpg, in 2014 I bought a new 6.7 with the same 6 speed and was very disappointed in the choked out power so I traded it off on a 2015 1 ton dually with the 6.7 and the big 6 speed auto. I like it a lot more BUT for some reason I can't keep steer tires under it, I have 53,000 miles on it and on my fourth set of tires! So it is leaving and I am going back the the 3/4 ton 6.7. That big hemi motor it a beast but she really likes the fuel!
 
Remember "UREA" is required with most diesels today. That you can add to your '70¢-80¢ more than regular' statement.

I burn through 2-1/2 gallons of that chicken sh*t per month and I am hooked up most of the time about 8000 lbs to 25000 lbs. no I don't like buying it but you can either have it removed or buy yourself a 5.9 Cummins with a 6 speed manual and you will never look back!
 
Another thing... oil change, my 5.9 I run 10,000 miles in between running wix filters and John Deere oil, my 2015 I " have to" run rotella T6 full synthetic ( $120 ) but they told me I can run it to 16,000 miles.
 
If you want the cream of the crop, IMO, look long and hard at the 01 and the generation it's in of Ford 250 and 350's with the 7.3. That thing is bulletproof. Family members of mine have them and get offered WELL WELL ABOVE Blue book by dealers looking to trade them in. There is something about that engine / tranny that makes them godly.
Had a Dodge one time.....should have been a sign when the rearview mirror fell off as i pulled out of the lot at the dealer..... It did get good gas milage tho, especially when it was riding the rollback because something else broke.... Looked up "Dodge" in the dictionary, it said " avoid, stay away from".... Of course, all makes have issues, but that one turned me permanently against Dodge products.
 
Total cost of ownership based on 15,000 miles per year for 5 years, operated by a consumer. Included in the cost: Acquisition Premium for the diesel engine, fuel/gas mpg, fuel/gas cost, routine maintenance and service intervals.

Ram 6.7 Diesel - $32,538
Ram 5.7L Gas - $26,708
Ford 6.4L Diesel - $31,268
Ford 6.2L Gas - $24,882
GMC 6.6L Diesel - $20,654
GMC 5.3L Gas - $21,144
 
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Total cost of ownership based on 15,000 miles per year for 5 years, operated by a consumer. Included in the cost: Acquisition Premium for the diesel engine, fuel/gas mpg, fuel/gas cost, routine maintenance and service intervals.

Ram 6.7 Diesel - $32,538
Ram 5.7L Gas - $26,708
Ford 6.4L Diesel - $31,268
Ford 6.2L Gas - $24,882
GMC 6.5L Diesel - $20,654
GMC 5.3L Gas - $21,144
I don't believe they have made the 6.5GM diesel in close to 20yrs. What are the figures for a 6.6 Duramax?
 
Fords current diesel is a 6.7 also. Mind breaking down how you got to those figures?
I was reading this from an email I received from a truck fleet manager. The 6.4 was a typo on his part. The cost analysis was designed for companies that purchase fleets, but is often asked about by consumers. He states that in fleet sales, gas units outsell diesel units by a large percentage, primarily due to cost of ownership over the 5 year period.

I'll ask him whether he would be willing to email a breakdown regarding the individual costs. BTW: This gentleman is the fleet manager for a Ford dealership, and uses the same analysis other dealers use.
 
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I'm a 3.5L Ecoboost (5 star tuned) fanboy myself as far as 1/2 tons go. I just picked up my older 5000# capacity forklift this morning and brought it home on an 18' flatbed trailer. It got 7 mpg on the trip home. It handles these kinds of loads better than Ford's 6.2L or Chevy's 6.0. I tried to live with a F250 6.2L, also tuned by 5 star, but it just felt like you were pulling the guts out of it with the same load and mileage was very comparable. All that said, if I pull anything bigger than this, a Duramax gets hooked on.

Just saw this and couldn't help myself. :)
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AT 7 MPG I THINK THAT THAT THING WOULD BE SITTING AND THE DURAMAX WOULD HAVE BEEN USED IF I OWM IT !!!!!!:eek::D:p
 

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