Do you believe Hornady

[Mark W]

I never did buy into the melting tip story. I wonder what percentage of 105 Amax were even shot at the extended ranges where this was supposed to be a problem? My guess is that it was a pretty low number. I used a lot of them for 100-600 yards and never had a problem. I’ll never believe that it wasn’t a ploy to drop a great inexpensive bullet and replace it with something that created a higher profit margin. To this day, I have not and never will purchase an ELD bullet.

 

[Dgd6mm]

I never did buy into the melting tip story. I wonder what percentage of 105 Amax were even shot at the extended ranges where this was supposed to be a problem? My guess is that it was a pretty low number. I used a lot of them for 100-600 yards and never had a problem. I’ll never believe that it wasn’t a ploy to drop a great inexpensive bullet and replace it with something that created a higher profit margin. To this day, I have not and never will purchase an ELD bullet.

I agree on this statement. But I'll buy the ELD bullets. I still think they are priced fairly compared to some other brands.

 

[davidjoe]

There are formulations of plastic that vary in temperature sensitivity. Admitting that there was a problem that had to be addressed was commendable, but was likely to estrange more customers than just silently changing the formulation internally, which they would have known to be a logical outcome. Hornady didn’t need to give shooters an additional reason to doubt their bullets.

They revealed it anyway, on principle I like to think, but likely also because it would have been discovered and exposed eventually and when that occurred, the impact would have been worse than getting in front of the problem, and demonstrating that they do have the technology and desire to keep testing after production runs commence. If Hornady were to admit that its bullet jackets are more fragile than they deem to be ideal, and are revising them, we would not doubt the veracity of that.

 

[Rsadams]

Maybe the real help is most people don't shoot over 200 yards and most stay at 100 really.... I worked at a gun range for about ten years and we never changed the 300 yard backer like way had to change the 100 yard backer which was constantly..... So if the problem of melted tips don't show up until further out it's a great marketing tool for something we have all been guilty of , trying to squeeze that little bit more of accuracy out...

But if that's the case most people would never run into that problem because the bullet would be in the dirt long before it melted the tip off...I have no doubt a huge bullet company like Hornady can make a plastic tip that doesn't melt.... But do you think the tip melting was really a big problem for 75% of shooters out there... ( CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE ) If you've seen some of the things I've seen working at a gun range I promise you that melted tips were the absolute least of the problems.... It's not just bullets , I have a rather large box full of the latest and greatest reloading crap that I had to try because it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.... In the end I almost always go back to the old way of doing it with the old equipment and that box of stuff sits in a corner.... Bullets , rifles and scopes only get better over time... These companies are always trying to out do each other.... I just wish they would stop trying to make cheap stuff because I will definitely pay more for quality...

 

[Doom]

It should also be understood that the tip does not have to melt but soften. It only needs to deform for the BC to go to sh__. Those are totally different phenomenon.

 

[SeabeeKen]

Just what does this matter? It doesnt and its an 8 yr old debate over what killed the horse

 

[Doom]

Just what does this matter? It doesnt and its an 8 yr old debate over what killed the horse

Well, those 15 year old 40gr VMAX that are sitting on the back of the shelf might have a problem if I can get them to fly long enough to get hot enough!

 

[ebb]

OK I have no way of knowing if the tip melted or not, and never will. Put a new better tip that doesn't melt on my beloved Amaxes and charge me a dollar more a box for them and I will be back buying Hornaday bullets again. Seems like the newer more expensive bullets have had more problems than the ones that they were supposed to fix.