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Do Certain Members of the Shooting Industry Owe Fiduciary Duty?
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ryanjay11
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1. It's not what you're saying, it's how you're saying it. You come across as very condescending. Why ask the question if you already know the answer?
2. Fiduciary means involving trust, especially with regard to the relationship between a trustee and a beneficiary. With regards to the gun industry, they make factory ammo which is under their control and is a constant. They make factory powders, which the powder is once again a constant that they can control. The same can be said for bullets and brass. They are providing a product to the individual that is tested and proven. They are up holding their end of the bargain. Now, what the individual does with those components is up to the individual. In summary, The one constant the industry cannot control is the Individual, especially with regards to what they reload.
3. You referenced the .375 RCM. You complain that there are not enough references, manuals, internet sources, "hacks" to ensure you have a safe load. At that point why is it not on the individual (you) to either experiment or abandon the load since it does not meet your standards and the industry isn't providing you what you want.
ultimately it's up to you how you shoot, what you shoot, and how you reload. Don't say the industry is letting you down when you have unrealistic expectations.
There are a million plus caliber, powder, brass, primer combos. The industry can't keep up the infinite possibilities. Should they hold us hostage to releasing new products because they haven't made every powder, bullet combo a reloader can make? Absolutely not. Our shooting sports would instantly become stagnant.
I believe my reading comprehension is just fine, sir. Your expectations on the other hand are not.
Like I said before and what this stupid thread has turned into is you believing the following:
SOMEONE ( the shooting industry) SOMEHWHERE ( a testing facility that needs to test every bullet combo ever )
OWES YOU SOMETHING ( you're too lazy to take the extra step to research and experiment ).
Stop trolling and ruining this forum.
Feed the troll? I bought a 375R about 5 or 6 years ago when I thought my decrepit remains might still get a chance to go back to Africa. Well we'll see. Ive used the bugger to shoot whitetails, crows and water bottles. Hornady 225, on the light end, 300 Hornady and Sierra. Barnes, speer and some other on the middle- oh, Nosler. I worked up a load for 255gr cast bullets, to great satisfaction. I havent seen any great problem with data.Except for the cast bullet. I havent tried the 350 gr bullets, cant see a personal need. I think data could be found quickly and easily. Rogn over and out.
Have had a busy week!
Looking over at another forum with accurate in its address, in the Big Bore section (.375 and up), where they have a repository of 600+ pages of topics to peruse.... Found a post from 2008, where a respected Alaskan Guide and Rifle magazine contributor, states that "in 2007 Ruger sold 8,000 of their M77 rifles chambered for the .375 Ruger Magnum, and 2008 was on track to be an even bigger year for sales in that chambering." Further comments from this gentleman were that many in the rifle business view the .375 Ruger as "...*(the) best big bore rifles introduced since 1937 when Win began chambering the M-70 in 375 H&H."
Further comment by this knowledgeable pro questioned how many .375 H&H have ever been sold.... 8,000 in its first year..... But, hell....Sure don't need any loading data for this one.
How many 6.5 Creedmoors were sold first year? How many Grendels? Looking through the Cartridges Of The World, the Ruger was listed there.
It is quite a commentary that so many responders here have only made their dissatisfaction known without contributing anything to the topic, even if just dissenting information.
There is an old adage, maybe Jeff Cooper coined it? "An Armed Society Is A Polite Society"..... You responders have proven that one WRONG!
At one time, precision riflemen were regarded as "thinking shooters", and innovators. The idea of gentlemen with rifles harkens back to a time when gentility and intelligence were traits most men sought to cultivate. Not really much of that among the tactical crowd. Lots of that influence here. More's the pity...
Back to my topic: If your bulletmaker or powder seller recently produced a regular update of their compendium of loading data, but abandoned it without announcing suspension or discontinuation, they are ripping us off. That their product pricing structure footed the bill for the data gathering and book publishing, means if they chose to abandon those pursuits, the product ought reduce in price. For America's Premier Accuracy bulletmaker to fail to do any data testing for 8yrs or more is beyond merely incredible! Of course you can still buy the #5 manual for $35 or $60 with the software... But the data is 17 or 18 years old. Even selling the 18yr old book at full price is a rip-off.
Of course, it is your choice to buy what you want. I think this sort of thing is Sharp Practice and despicable.
Looking over at another forum with accurate in its address, in the Big Bore section (.375 and up), where they have a repository of 600+ pages of topics to peruse.... Found a post from 2008, where a respected Alaskan Guide and Rifle magazine contributor, states that "in 2007 Ruger sold 8,000 of their M77 rifles chambered for the .375 Ruger Magnum, and 2008 was on track to be an even bigger year for sales in that chambering." Further comments from this gentleman were that many in the rifle business view the .375 Ruger as "...*(the) best big bore rifles introduced since 1937 when Win began chambering the M-70 in 375 H&H."
Further comment by this knowledgeable pro questioned how many .375 H&H have ever been sold.... 8,000 in its first year..... But, hell....Sure don't need any loading data for this one.
How many 6.5 Creedmoors were sold first year? How many Grendels? Looking through the Cartridges Of The World, the Ruger was listed there.
It is quite a commentary that so many responders here have only made their dissatisfaction known without contributing anything to the topic, even if just dissenting information.
There is an old adage, maybe Jeff Cooper coined it? "An Armed Society Is A Polite Society"..... You responders have proven that one WRONG!
At one time, precision riflemen were regarded as "thinking shooters", and innovators. The idea of gentlemen with rifles harkens back to a time when gentility and intelligence were traits most men sought to cultivate. Not really much of that among the tactical crowd. Lots of that influence here. More's the pity...
Back to my topic: If your bulletmaker or powder seller recently produced a regular update of their compendium of loading data, but abandoned it without announcing suspension or discontinuation, they are ripping us off. That their product pricing structure footed the bill for the data gathering and book publishing, means if they chose to abandon those pursuits, the product ought reduce in price. For America's Premier Accuracy bulletmaker to fail to do any data testing for 8yrs or more is beyond merely incredible! Of course you can still buy the #5 manual for $35 or $60 with the software... But the data is 17 or 18 years old. Even selling the 18yr old book at full price is a rip-off.
Of course, it is your choice to buy what you want. I think this sort of thing is Sharp Practice and despicable.
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