Dispensing powder for saving time.

[Toddhandy]

Hi,
When I am reloading to slowest process is dispensing powder, sometimes I have 300 rounds to load. I currently have 1 RCBS Chargemaster. I am not sure if i should get another RCBS or if there is one unit that will speed up the process. I am dispensing H4350 for a 6.5 creedmore. I tried using my Harrell Precision with this H4350 and I was unsuccessful as well. The Harrel does work well with ball powder. If anyone has any suggestions it would be great.

 

[INTJ]

Autotrickler V4 on an A&D FX-120i. It's fast and accurate to a kernel of powder, or .02 grains. The Chargemaster is only accurate to about .2 grains.

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[rwj]

Can you seat a bullet while dispensing the next powder charge? I’ve found by the time I’ve seated a bullet, then checked the round’s CBTO, the next charge is ready.

 

[LVLAaron]

Sell the chargemaster and get a V4.

 

[Rset]

Hi,
When I am reloading to slowest process is dispensing powder, sometimes I have 300 rounds to load. I currently have 1 RCBS Chargemaster. I am not sure if i should get another RCBS or if there is one unit that will speed up the process. I am dispensing H4350 for a 6.5 creedmore. I tried using my Harrell Precision with this H4350 and I was unsuccessful as well. The Harrel does work well with ball powder. If anyone has any suggestions it would be great.

If the Chargemaster gives you the precision you need, adding a second one will allow you to charge a case and seat a bullet about as fast as you can with the lowest cost and time frame once you get a rhythm going.
If you want one system with greater accuracy and only slightly less speed and are willing to wait 9 months +, get a V4 system.

 

[INTJ]

If the Chargemaster gives you the precision you need, adding a second one will allow you to charge a case and seat a bullet about as fast as you can with the lowest cost and time frame once you get a rhythm going.
If you want one system with greater accuracy and only slightly less speed and are willing to wait 9 months +, get a V4 system.

My V4 is faster than my Chargemaster. And I don't think it's 9 months anymore on the wait. I think it's more like 2 months.....

 

[Rset]

My V4 is faster than my Chargemaster. And I don't think it's 9 months anymore on the wait. I think it's more like 2 months.....

Is it faster than 2 chargemasters running separately?
Not sure that 2 months is an accurate picture at this point, but if true, certainly helps the V4 proposition.

 

[LVLAaron]

It probably is, yes. And far more accurate. Nothing is more infuriating that watching the chargemaster fidget around for that last little kernel it needs.

 

[Toddhandy]

just ordered the V4

 

[MSS]

The V4 is pretty fast. I like to trickle the last 2 grains but others may find it faster to trickle less. Mine is about 15 sec for 41 ish gr of H4350. I rarely find I am waiting for powder.

 

[INTJ]

Is it faster than 2 chargemasters running separately?
Not sure that 2 months is an accurate picture at this point, but if true, certainly helps the V4 proposition.

I charge then seat. While I am seating the V4 is filling the next charge. A second V4 would only marginal speed up this process, but I still get kernel accuracy.

With a Chargemaster, even when it says I am at the charge weight I can be .2 off, not to mention all the times the Chargemaster doesn't indicate my programmed charge.

So while two Chargemasters may indeed throw powder faster than on V4, when you factor in all the rework needed with the Chargemaster it is much slower.

I am not in the shop this week, but I think we are only a couple months out on V4 orders. Things are slowing a bit.

 

[Beiruty]

Can you seat a bullet while dispensing the next powder charge? I’ve found by the time I’ve seated a bullet, then checked the round’s CBTO, the next charge is ready.

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[Rset]

I charge then seat. While I am seating the V4 is filling the next charge. A second V4 would only marginal speed up this process, but I still get kernel accuracy.

With a Chargemaster, even when it says I am at the charge weight I can be .2 off, not to mention all the times the Chargemaster doesn't indicate my programmed charge.

So while two Chargemasters may indeed throw powder faster than on V4, when you factor in all the rework needed with the Chargemaster it is much slower.

I am not in the shop this week, but I think we are only a couple months out on V4 orders. Things are slowing a bit.

I don't disagree. I use a Single V3 and will likely order a V4 or V5??
As for the accuracy, as I originally stated, "If the Chargemaster gives you the precision you need"
Last I saw V4's from March orders were scheduled to ship this month.

 

[INTJ]

I don't disagree. I use a Single V3 and will likely order a V4 or V5??
As for the accuracy, as I originally stated, "If the Chargemaster gives you the precision you need"
Last I saw V4's from March orders were scheduled to ship this month.

I don't think the Chargemaster gives anyone the precision we need, especially when we are trying to be fast. I remember how shocked I was at the actual weights the Chargemaster was throwing when I got my Sartoriois Entris scale. Maybe the newer Chargemasters are better?

I would understand March orders not shipping until Sep, but I think more recent orders are shipping much sooner. That said, I am out of the shop this week so it's no easy to check. The company I work for is the US distributor for Autotrickler.

As to the V4, I was a bit skeptical until I got mine. I liked the tunability of the V3. Well I found the V4 is tunable as well as being faster, but as importantly for me it's much quicker to setup and takedown when I take it to matches.

 

[Rset]

I don't think the Chargemaster gives anyone the precision we need,

I try not to speak in absolutes. Your needs, my needs, and the needs of others are all unknown.
What are you shooting? A benchrest shooter has far different needs than the casual hunter and loading is not only limited to the powder charge with respect to needed consistency.
Are the shooters abilities even capable of noting the difference in a kernel of powder?
Is a kernel of powder even relevant?
Lots of very small groups have been shot over many years without the need or the ability to accurately measure .02 grains of powder. I would venture to say that many of those small groups are still shot by someone throwing and not weighing each charge.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

A Uniflow, trickler, and a electronic scale.

 

[INTJ]

I try not to speak in absolutes. Your needs, my needs, and the needs of others are all unknown.
What are you shooting? A benchrest shooter has far different needs than the casual hunter and loading is not only limited to the powder charge with respect to needed consistency.
Are the shooters abilities even capable of noting the difference in a kernel of powder?
Is a kernel of powder even relevant?
Lots of very small groups have been shot over many years without the need or the ability to accurately measure .02 grains of powder. I would venture to say that many of those small groups are still shot by someone throwing and not weighing each charge.

A kernel isn't relevant, but .2 to .3 grains certainly is in small cases, even if we aren't shooting BR. In larger cases .2 to .3 isn't as big a deal. Throwing used to work well for short range BR, not so much for long range BR.

My recommendation for those not needing to load a bunch of cases at a time and wanting to keep on a tight budget is to use a balance beam scale. I was able to keep powder within .1 grains with my RCBS 10-10. A tuned scale will get us close to kernel accuracy, but it's just slow. I guess I just don't have a good opinion of the Chargemaster, and I used one for years.

 

[piie]

just ordered the V4

You got the A&D FX scale along with it too - right?

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

Harrel dispenser and something like a FX scale is where im heading now for a test run. Chargemaster Lite was pretty accurate but I'm loading to many rounds to stand there and wait for stuff to go beep. Reloading isn't as much fun as shooting for me, if that doesn't scratch my itch ill be looking at the new Super Trickler when they become available over here or the V4

 

[dgeesaman]

just ordered the V4

You won’t regret it. With the A&D scale it’s darned fast and accurate. I have a v3 on a Sartorius Entris and while it’s uber-accurate, it’s a bit slower and more finicky.