Did the .300 Blackout (BLK) Die Out?

[dellet]

Let's examine this logically, the 308 is a 1952 adopted design, the 300 blackout 2011. The former is a 70 year old adaptation and 59 years later an even worse mistake was made.

In 52 they designed by 1950's standards, one would hope that 2011 designs would have 21'st century standards.

We could expound on the value of the 7.62x51 forever but suffice to say the concept that other chambers could accept the round and produce unsafe conditions (assuming it exists), is bad but 70 years ago less experience was applied to designs. It was 2 years before I was born so I can attribute the design flaw to the time period. In those days average people were less educated but had more firearm common sense.

However in 2011 not only was the chambering mistake made, the new cartridge fit into a magazine designed for the most popular rifles ever sold in the U.S.. The 5.56 blowup by chambering 300 Blackout is well documented. Today people are more educated, not only having much less firearm common sense but having much greater expectations of design safety. In my opinion due to the modern common high average of human stupidity.

I would not invest in companies that produce such obviously flawed designs. Some idiot will do something and convince a jury of their peers and we all know where that goes.

I have custom firearms built, I reload, I have no hot 45 70 loads around to blow up an old Springfield or lever gun, I designed my custom 450 Marlin load for my custom bolt gun so it cannot be fired in inappropriate rifles, all head stamps on my brass for reloaded ammunition match the cartridge and rifle.

Why? I will not live forever, I want the firearms and ammunition I leave for my family to be safe. In the modern world I expect cartridge designs to be thought out and not chamber in a firearm that it can destroy.

So where do you draw the line and how do you enforce it?

Should SAAMI not have approved the 300 Blackout?

How many cartridges from the SAAMI, Unsafe combination list, of hundreds do you think should not have been allowed to market?

For argument, logically, the Blackout was a bad idea because it can be chambered in a 223. Since the 223 came first, the Blackout should have been denied.

Should the 223 WSSM have been denied because you can chamber a 6MM Br in it and blow it up? The 223 WSSM certainly meets the modern times criteria, but the new cartridge is not blowing anything up, it's the old cartridge.
Which do you ban?

It's not like blowing up a 243 with a 7.62X39. After all those were both on the market when people had common sense and did not need some sort of regulated intervention to keep them safe. We're good to ignore those old combinations. Logically.

Just trying to understand how you might regulate this. It does not take long researching "kaboom" to realize that it happens quite often, with some very unlikely combinations of the wrong cartridge in the chamber.

There is a point where it's much easier to world proof the child, than it is to childproof the world. It would seem we have those opposing views. I think I understand your position, hope you understand mine.

Thanks for the exchange.

 

[P1ZombieKiller]

I may be off.... but i think 300BO was exactly designed to fit perfectly in the bazillions of items that were already made, in use, and functioning perfectlt in the AR platforms in existance.

I dont own a single 223. But i own 4 300BO. Its basically a 30-30 round that can be sooooo much more. And by the way, it works with the stuff you already have and use (assuming you own an AR). My first 300BO was a bolt gun (acually a 300/221 fireball).

But i see a cartridge that fits perfectly into what I want to do.

 

[David Milisock]

So where do you draw the line and how do you enforce it?

Should SAAMI not have approved the 300 Blackout?

How many cartridges from the SAAMI, Unsafe combination list, of hundreds do you think should not have been allowed to market?

For argument, logically, the Blackout was a bad idea because it can be chambered in a 223. Since the 223 came first, the Blackout should have been denied.

Should the 223 WSSM have been denied because you can chamber a 6MM Br in it and blow it up? The 223 WSSM certainly meets the modern times criteria, but the new cartridge is not blowing anything up, it's the old cartridge.
Which do you ban?

It's not like blowing up a 243 with a 7.62X39. After all those were both on the market when people had common sense and did not need some sort of regulated intervention to keep them safe. We're good to ignore those old combinations. Logically.

Just trying to understand how you might regulate this. It does not take long researching "kaboom" to realize that it happens quite often, with some very unlikely combinations of the wrong cartridge in the chamber.

There is a point where it's much easier to world proof the child, than it is to childproof the world. It would seem we have those opposing views. I think I understand your position, hope you understand mine.

Thanks for the exchange.

That's a very interesting question, I'm not sure about where the parameters of responsibilities lie. I would assume SAAMI simply approves cartridge and chamber specifications as they are and industry association and not a governmental body. That may not indemnify them.

Of course there would need to be retroactive labeling for pre existing cartridges. There may already be legislation that places the responsibility for damages and where that responsibility lies I do not know. However one would assume the cartridge and chamber specifications are computerized so developing a program to prevent this would be pennies on the dollar. That fact which would go against the designer and manufacturer.

I would assume that if I blow up a 5.56 with a 300 cartridge and injure or kill someone the family of those injured or killed would easily win a case of negligence against me. The question now is, will the cartridge manufacturer and designer bear any legal responsibility? Or is there already legislation to protect the manufacturer.

After 45 years in business I find it nearly impossible that they would escape since the shotgun method litigation, they have deeper pockets therefore you include them in the suit.

I know in my business it's my insurance imposes more restrictions on my manufacturing then the government does.

 

[rwj]

I’m not a fan of interfering with Darwin’s principle of natural selection…

 

[Hohn]

Realistically no new cartridges needed that weren't around 40 or 50 years ago.
It's all marketing.

I’ll bite. Which cartridge from that time period could launch .264 caliber bullet of 140gr to 2700fps in a short action that feeds from a box magazine that holds 10 rounds?

 

[dryhumor]

I for one have been reminded by this thread that I need to shoot my 300BO. Cased and ready for tomorrow morning. Thanks all for the reminder.

 

[Cbashooter]

I’ll bite. Which cartridge from that time period could launch .264 caliber bullet of 140gr to 2700fps in a short action that feeds from a box magazine that holds 10 rounds?

6.5×50 Arisaka or 6.5 rem mag.
I was "sort of" joking as most should know.