Current F-Class National Records

[effendude]

I just took a look at the current NRA national records for F-Open. I was harpooned by several posters in another page regarding my comment that F-Class shooters were shooting .5MOA for nearly 20 shots. Many well respected members of this forum doubted this.

For review, the X ring of the F-Class target is .5MOA, regardless of the distance.
150-15X 300 yards
200-26X 300 yards
150-14X 500 yards
200-18X 500 yards
150-14X 600 yards
200-19X 600 yards
150-12X 1000 yards
200-15X 1000 yards

I have the greatest respect for all competitive shooters, regardless of the sport. Why can't we all get along?

Scott

 

[Jay Christopherson]

Scott-

You are missing the fact that only *two* of those records is a perfect "X" count - which means that only *two* of them is .5 MOA or less. For the record, it's the 200-26X and the 150-15X at 300, which IMO, are sort of dubious cases for this argument, even though they are very impressive scores. The 10-ring is 1MOA, which means that at all of those scores are > .5 MOA. For all we know, those 10's could be scratch 10's...

If you are going to start a war about whose discipline is better, you better be prepared to be harpooned... you can't take 3/4 of the stuff you see posted seriously. Everyone is an Internet hero.

- Jay

EDIT: Damn 300 yard scores wrecking my argument...

 

[racesnake]

200 26X 300yds ????

 

[Jay Christopherson]

200 26X 300yds ????

Yep, looked right past that - you were too fast for me while I was modifying my post.

 

[TonyR]

200 26X 300yds ????

Yep, looked right past that - you were too fast for me while I was modifying my post.

I think you keep shooting if you tie a National record until you shoot something other than an X. Never been in that position myself but I think that is how it works. Also the F-Class 10 ring is less than 1MOA at 300 yards only, .285 inches. The rest of the 10 rings are 1 MOA.

 

[Shiraz]

200 26X 300yds ????

Yep, looked right past that - you were too fast for me while I was modifying my post.

The way it works is if you shoot a perfect score, with all Xs, you keep shooting until you miss an X. The purpose behind that is that if you have another similar situation, the person with the most Xs keeps the record. In this case, it was 6 more Xs beyond the 20 before the guy put one in the 10 ring. Besides that was his last round that he had with him (it was junker blow off round).

By the way, that 150 - 15x at 300 yards is actually 17xs.

 

[Taildrag15X]

200 26X 300yds ????

Yep, looked right past that - you were too fast for me while I was modifying my post.

I think you keep shooting if you tie a National record until you shoot something other than an X. Never been in that position myself but I think that is how it works. Also the F-Class 10 ring is less than 1MOA at 300 yards only, .285 inches. The rest of the 10 rings are 1 MOA.

Tony you are close....It has to be a NRA Registered Tournament and you only keep shooting if your are shooting X's until you shoot a lower value. I've never seen anyone running around with a NR printout on the firing line during a Tournament trying to keep up with the competitors scores while in live fire. Usually it's the Statistics Officer who would be the one responsible for determining a "possible" NR, at which time the Referee or Jury Chairman and or Match Director complete the paper work for submittal to the NRA.

Mine still stands, although it has been tied.....150-13X and those 2-10's were 10's......of the 150-15X's I fired none counted, either they were an Approved Match or Registered Match paper work issues when submitted.

 

[Cochran]

There are absolutely tons of half minute strings being fired in f-class matches. Just because its not centered in the x ring doesnt mean it aint small.

 

[4xforfun]

This makes NO sence....you can shoot a score of 120 0x and still have a sub .5 MOA target at 1000 yards.

What does the score have to do with group size???

 

[ShootDots]

Now I am going to step out here and get CLUBBED TO DEATH>>> But I have an "observation" that nobody either notices, or nothing CAN be done about it OR some may so vehemently disagree as to shut the "argument / observation" where they absolutely disavow any discussions on it.. So here it is AGAIN:

In F-Class, BOTH F-Open and F-T/R, the "basic" 1 M.O.A. target is used.. Now I don't know exactly how many "F-T/R High-Masters" have made it to High-Master (Long Range) via the 1 M.O.A. targets, SOLELY pursuing F-T/R>>my guess is a TINY handful at best... However, High-Masters are being made (Long Range) nigh on to every weekend in F-Open.. I am hoping to get there THIS summer myself>>(I have not made that coveted title yet)>> just hopefully! So what! Right?? Now, why do we not make F-Open targets at 3/4 M.O.A. and that would make it ALMOST AS DIFFICULT to get to the "Long Range / High Master" classification as it is for F-T/R guys to make it at 1 M.O.A.? I know all the "logistical arguments" about yet another target to keep track of etc..etc.. I just think it would make us F-Open guys have to "go the extra mile" to get us that title, just like the T/R guys have to REALLY make strides to get there!!

Just my observation and humble opinion!!

 

[Steve Blair]

This makes NO sence....you can shoot a score of 120 0x and still have a sub .5 MOA target at 1000 yards.

What does the score have to do with group size???

[br] We shoot for score, no one measures group size. So, the only way to know that a given score is ½ MOA or less is if it is all X's.

 

[4xforfun]

This makes NO sence....you can shoot a score of 120 0x and still have a sub .5 MOA target at 1000 yards.

What does the score have to do with group size???

[br] We shoot for score, no one measures group size. So, the only way to know that a given score is ½ MOA or less is if it is all X's.

EXACTLY..but it has been stated that NO ONE has shot a .5 moa target because the world record is only 15 x's.

One has absolutly nothing to do with the other. The .5 moa statement is MOOT.

On the other hand, if you shoot a twenty shot, sub .5 moa target, and they are all in the 7 ring, you should quit shooting F class all together. ;D ;D

This is what I am trying to figure out. I am thinking about shooting the F class Nats in AZ this fall. I am a BR shooter. I know my 1000 yard BR guns are all .5 MOA or better and track on the bags with the best of them, but...will I be able to compete with the dedicated F class shooters and their equipment??

 

[Steve Blair]

This is what I am trying to figure out. I am thinking about shooting the F class Nats in AZ this fall. I am a BR shooter. I know my 1000 yard BR guns are all .5 MOA or better and track on the bags with the best of them, but...will I be able to compete with the dedicated F class shooters and their equipment??

[br]
The definitive answer to your question is: maybe.

 

[Erik Cortina]

ShootDots, that is a totally different argument that has nothing to do with this thread. But nonetheless, you should be clubbed to death because of it.

 

[johara1]

Steve, We could reverse that and say can an F class shooter completive at 1000 yd.BR. the answer would i doubt it. To qualify that is you are worried about .5 groups ? You better be able to agg. under .3 and shoot 50's or .4 and 100's at 1000 at BR. ……. jim

 

[Erik Cortina]

4xforfun, what caliber are you planning to shoot at the F-Class Nationals?

 

[Keith Glasscock]

200 26X 300yds ????

Yep, looked right past that - you were too fast for me while I was modifying my post.

The way it works is if you shoot a perfect score, with all Xs, you keep shooting until you miss an X. The purpose behind that is that if you have another similar situation, the person with the most Xs keeps the record. In this case, it was 6 more Xs beyond the 20 before the guy put one in the 10 ring. Besides that was his last round that he had with him (it was junker blow off round).

By the way, that 150 - 15x at 300 yards is actually 17xs.

Third person? Wasn't it you?

 

[ShootDots]

ShootDots, that is a totally different argument that has nothing to do with this thread. But nonetheless, you should be clubbed to death because of it.

I just thought it an opportune time to get it out there once again and get people thinking... AHHH, you are right, silly of me>>>people thinking??? What was I thinking!!! LOL!! Time for a cup of coffee!!

 

[johara1]

Ben, You are stirring the pot……… LOL….. This one will get locked……jim

 

[ShootDots]

Ben, You are stirring the pot……… LOL….. This one will get locked……jim

Jim, I think it is turning into a cauldron, not just a "pot"...Hehehehe...