COVID-19 Map worldwide, with statistics
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jds holler
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The data and numbers are so blurred at this point that you would have to be a clairvoyant to discern any real meaning from them.
If you have one of the various strains of covid, and some other flu/cold virus, which one is causing your symptoms -- if you even have symptoms??
If you die from said symptoms, which disease caused death??
If you have any of/or many other health issues such as ummmmm -- obesity, heart disease, lung disease, autoimmune issues, cancer, lupus, hepatitis, HIV, blood clots, chlamydia, tinnitus, asthma, depression, Lyme's Disease, heart-ache, and loss of God - AND COVID- and you happen to die, did you die of the FREAKIN COVID??!!
jd
If you have one of the various strains of covid, and some other flu/cold virus, which one is causing your symptoms -- if you even have symptoms??
If you die from said symptoms, which disease caused death??
If you have any of/or many other health issues such as ummmmm -- obesity, heart disease, lung disease, autoimmune issues, cancer, lupus, hepatitis, HIV, blood clots, chlamydia, tinnitus, asthma, depression, Lyme's Disease, heart-ache, and loss of God - AND COVID- and you happen to die, did you die of the FREAKIN COVID??!!
jd
Sweet story, what's it have to do with shooting ?
Brians356
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Oh. A light dawns. You stumbled into the wrong thread. Launched on 13 March, the "Covid-19" in the subject header would have been a solid clue for most people.
jds holler
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Well if you get shot, and your health is compromised from the Covid, you may die FROM the Covid. jd
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What the heck it works for me !!
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What the heck it works for me !!
Or about one new case each day per 355,000 people. Pandemic !!! 928 new cases, 330,000,000 people.
Edit: 928 deaths. I read the info incorrectly. sooooo 1 new death per 355,000 people.
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Adam in WI
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For those trying to follow along: when Dolt posted the Elmer meme he essentially said anyone who questions the common covid narrative stupid.
Sooo... When @brians356 comes back with some facts capped off with a perhaps less than witty, but nonetheless well deserved retort to said meme; the poster of the meme was left no choice but to make an effort to save face by calling into question the relevance of the entire thread. Not a surprising play in this situation but unfortunately the defense could clearly see right through it and came up with an easy stop
Al... Chris... Back to you
Why don't you go read a shooting thread.
I think many people in places like the UK are genuinely concerned or, perhaps more aptly, have genuine cause for concern. As of a week or so ago ICU beds in the likes of Liverpool were very close to full capacity (95%+) and new cases were continuing to rise. So the issue is real and not just a bunch of asymptomatic cases. No one wants a repeat of what smacked London (and other European centers in the Spring). Here's hoping hospital infrastructure is up to the task. Of course, the current wave there is set against the inevitable social distancing fatigue.
As for November 3, I'd posit that most Europeans consider that a forgone conclusion. If you only view US media (or, worse, crap like restate.com and other peripheral newcomers with hardened agendas that don't include quality journalism) you're going to get a different view.
Florida has shown the benefits of all that we have learned about the virus and treatment (from simple things like not bringing people to hospital early or having patients lie face down, through to various medications) but it has also shown that even with these things there's a long tail on the death toll. Florida is still running at more than 5x the average daily death toll of NY at its equivalent point in the first wave. The great thing about October here is that it is (finally) becoming much more pleasant to be outside, in sharp contrast to further north. Temps are starting to slip below 90 and the humidity has just started to drop slightly. Bring on Winter. Off to the range...
Brians356
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@SGK, my comments regarding trend and media were about the US. I showed EU and Uk for context. Because Europe never had a summer surge like the US had, their current surge looks steeper and likely more deadly. It's just possible the "area rule" cited by supposed experts early on was valid, wherein was stated flattening the curve will not reduce the area under the curve.
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Brians356
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Story on Covid death toll misdirection by Jay W. Richards in the New York Post:
On Sept. 22, CNN triumphantly announced that 200,000 people had died from COVID-19 in the United States.
CNN tried various ways of rubbing in the 200,000 figure. Their best effort was an infographic blaring, “US COVID-19 deaths are equal to having the 9/11 attacks every day for 66 days.”
Here’s a less biased, but less catchy, comparison: 2020’s attributed COVID-19 deaths were equivalent to having another 2017-2018 flu and pneumonia season boosted by 13 percent.
The CDC estimated that about 177,000 Americans died during the 2017-2018 flu season, from either the flu itself or by complications of pneumonia. (The CDC never made a public announcement about this number, but you can count it yourself from data on its site, as I did in the chart below.) That was a bad year, noted at the time, but mostly by medical professionals. Those with good memories will recall seeing more “Wash Your Hands” and “Cough Into Your Elbows” posters.
Still, nobody remembers a panic. Just as nobody remembers mask mandates or political leaders shutting down small businesses and locking the healthy in their homes. Because, of course, none of that happened.
On the same day as CNN’s announcement, the CDC officially posted a total 187,072 deaths attributed in some way to COVID-19. Deaths were boosted to a hair under 300,000 after adding in pneumonia and flu.
This is the more important number, since it captures the disease burden better than CNN’s. Even so, it’s not clear how many deaths were caused by the coronavirus alone, how many died with but not simply from infection by the coronavirus, and how many died of other things but just happened to be infected around the time of death.
The CDC itself caused a stir at the end of August by estimating that the virus directly caused only 6 percent, or now just over 11,000 of the 187,000 attributed deaths. Most of these deaths were in the elderly.
The remaining 94 percent died with and not exclusively of the coronavirus. These people also were on average elderly and had 2.6 other health problems. This implies a good fraction who succumbed had three or more comorbidities. In other words, most deaths attributed to the coronavirus were in very sick people.
Unfortunately, tests for the presence of the bug are prone to false positives. This is when the test says somebody has a current infection when they don’t. The test can mistake past infections as current, or even tag infections of other coronaviruses. The one causing COVID-19 is only one among many.
False positives are not normally a big concern. They are this year because of the huge number of tests given. According to The COVID Tracking Project, in September we averaged over 800,000 tests every single day. Over one million tests were conducted on several days.
Even a tiny false-positive rate at this level is a problem. Take the 1 percent false-positive rate, cited by some. If 5 percent of the public has the disease at one time, a million tests will produce 9,500 false “new cases.”
It might seem odd that testing numbers are going up even as attributed deaths drop. But this paradox is largely due to the fact that we do so much testing. Deaths re-peaked in late July as the virus spread in southern states for the first time. They have been dropping rapidly since. If the current rate of decline holds, attributed deaths will drop to a background level by the end of October.
Even calling positive tests “cases” overstates the problem. True cases are active illnesses that need treatment. But by now most people testing positive are asymptomatic or have only mild illness.
That’s the real lead in this story: Fewer people are dying and more people are recovering with few or no problems. So why does the press keep burying it?
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On Sept. 22, CNN triumphantly announced that 200,000 people had died from COVID-19 in the United States.
CNN tried various ways of rubbing in the 200,000 figure. Their best effort was an infographic blaring, “US COVID-19 deaths are equal to having the 9/11 attacks every day for 66 days.”
Here’s a less biased, but less catchy, comparison: 2020’s attributed COVID-19 deaths were equivalent to having another 2017-2018 flu and pneumonia season boosted by 13 percent.
The CDC estimated that about 177,000 Americans died during the 2017-2018 flu season, from either the flu itself or by complications of pneumonia. (The CDC never made a public announcement about this number, but you can count it yourself from data on its site, as I did in the chart below.) That was a bad year, noted at the time, but mostly by medical professionals. Those with good memories will recall seeing more “Wash Your Hands” and “Cough Into Your Elbows” posters.
Still, nobody remembers a panic. Just as nobody remembers mask mandates or political leaders shutting down small businesses and locking the healthy in their homes. Because, of course, none of that happened.
On the same day as CNN’s announcement, the CDC officially posted a total 187,072 deaths attributed in some way to COVID-19. Deaths were boosted to a hair under 300,000 after adding in pneumonia and flu.
This is the more important number, since it captures the disease burden better than CNN’s. Even so, it’s not clear how many deaths were caused by the coronavirus alone, how many died with but not simply from infection by the coronavirus, and how many died of other things but just happened to be infected around the time of death.
The CDC itself caused a stir at the end of August by estimating that the virus directly caused only 6 percent, or now just over 11,000 of the 187,000 attributed deaths. Most of these deaths were in the elderly.
The remaining 94 percent died with and not exclusively of the coronavirus. These people also were on average elderly and had 2.6 other health problems. This implies a good fraction who succumbed had three or more comorbidities. In other words, most deaths attributed to the coronavirus were in very sick people.
Unfortunately, tests for the presence of the bug are prone to false positives. This is when the test says somebody has a current infection when they don’t. The test can mistake past infections as current, or even tag infections of other coronaviruses. The one causing COVID-19 is only one among many.
False positives are not normally a big concern. They are this year because of the huge number of tests given. According to The COVID Tracking Project, in September we averaged over 800,000 tests every single day. Over one million tests were conducted on several days.
Even a tiny false-positive rate at this level is a problem. Take the 1 percent false-positive rate, cited by some. If 5 percent of the public has the disease at one time, a million tests will produce 9,500 false “new cases.”
It might seem odd that testing numbers are going up even as attributed deaths drop. But this paradox is largely due to the fact that we do so much testing. Deaths re-peaked in late July as the virus spread in southern states for the first time. They have been dropping rapidly since. If the current rate of decline holds, attributed deaths will drop to a background level by the end of October.
Even calling positive tests “cases” overstates the problem. True cases are active illnesses that need treatment. But by now most people testing positive are asymptomatic or have only mild illness.
That’s the real lead in this story: Fewer people are dying and more people are recovering with few or no problems. So why does the press keep burying it?
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jds holler
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Many folks who listen to for instance CNN and similar sources only, have no idea that a "case" is simply a positive test, not a hospitalization or even necessarily sickness. And if you watch these "news channels" 
, it is clear that they are happy to leave it that way.
I was talking to my 92 year old father today about it, and he was insistent about it, saying "they wouldn't call it a "case of Covid" if it wasn't serious enough to require hospitalization!" He is sure that all 8 million or whatever our case count is, have been hospitalized.
jd
, it is clear that they are happy to leave it that way. I was talking to my 92 year old father today about it, and he was insistent about it, saying "they wouldn't call it a "case of Covid" if it wasn't serious enough to require hospitalization!" He is sure that all 8 million or whatever our case count is, have been hospitalized.
jdCool shirt, I need to find two for my wife and myself that say "Essential Worker, Healthcare Division".
This is an interesting thread. From what I have read so far, it's about numbers (estimates mostly) that can't be verified and which are derived from a test with questionable accuracy, and a world population that believes that the information fed to us is reliable and are willing to behave like lemmings. Oh, and also about a good many people who can't agree on anything.
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