COVID-19 Map worldwide, with statistics

[DRNewcomb]

I don't know if I mentioned this earlier or not but I've volunteered to be Phizer's guinea pig. So far, I've received two injections of what might either be their COVID-19 vaccine or a placebo. At this point, I don't know which. I have had no reaction more than what one might expect from getting a couple of CCs of saline solution injected in one's shoulder. I know two other folks who are volunteers and neither has had any reaction. Essentially we all suspect we got the placebo, which defies the odds. Time will tell, as I plan to have my doc add an antibody test when he next orders blood tests. Overall, the worst part of the process is getting a nasal swab at every visit.

 

[DRNewcomb]

..... Booze costs about $55 per .75 liter, don't know about smokes but probably real expensive.

Really expensive. In some of these European countries people take unnecessary international ferry rides just to drink and smoke themselves into a stupor. I googled the subject and learned that cigarettes cost 12 Euro (about $14) a pack.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Imagine, $14.00 a pack and whatever booze costs, just to kill yourself. Covid is safer than that in my estimation, seeing that my wife and I had it.

 

[rwj]

Though this virus episode is not yet over, a lot has been learned. The question is what changes need to be made with respect to readiness for future events? History certainly has taught us there will be more!

 

[Brians356]

Though this virus episode is not yet over, a lot has been learned. The question is what changes need to be made with respect to readiness for future events? History certainly has taught us there will be more!

It may defy logic, but you really don't prepare and stay ready for a random natural event that happens at intervals measured in tens of decades. What has been done to prepare the typical "100-year flood plain"? Build more homes in it! Besides, the likelihood is that whatever does arrive in something like a century won't be what you prepared for. If preparation was cost-free (money and time), we could prepare for every imaginable eventuality, yet still not be prepared.

"But, but ... we gotta do something!" No, we don't - and we won't.

 

[rwj]

It may defy logic, but you really don't prepare and stay ready for a random natural event that happens at intervals measured in tens of decades. What has been done to prepare the typical "100-year flood plain"? Build more homes in it! Besides, the likelihood is that whatever does arrive in something like a century won't be what you prepared for. If preparation was cost-free (money and time), we could prepare for every imaginable eventuality, yet still not be prepared.

"But, but ... we gotta do something!" No, we don't - and we won't.

I agree. So let’s modify the question to what would we do differently from the onset?

 

[Brians356]

I agree. So let’s modify the question to what would we do differently from the onset?

I asked Toby, a life scientist, that question, and he replied at length. I pointed out what I considered a few flawed assumptions. Hindsight can be (but often isn't) 20/20. Foresight never is. Call me a fatalist, but I feel the virus, once let out of the country and disseminated by China, but kept secret (then downplayed) for months with the help of WHO, was going to have its way with the world, no matter what.
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[Baer45]

Numbers in Texas are looking good, back down to 'pre-spike' levels in terms of hospitalizations (for the Houston area at least), and fatalities are dropping significantly as well.

Texas new case and fatality counts:
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Houston area hospitalizations:
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Darn - at first look I thought that was a map of Virginia...

 

[jds holler]

I'm also somewhat of a fatalist, -- as well as a realist, pragmatist, skeptic, -- and I don't look to someone else to guarantee my health, well-being, or my life. I am in Jesus' hands.

I'm in Klamath County Oregon. About 70,000 souls, and we've had 280 cases of Covid (or presumed Covid), and 2 deaths. And yes, I think we are blessed to have such low numbers. Only 18 of the 280 have been hospitalized. (see stats below)

We are not an isolated area, being on one of the major highway arteries through Oregon. I'd say that our mask and distancing practices suck, and a great deal of us are skeptical and non compliant of these measures.

I think that we're fairly representative of the real world, as opposed to being just a case of good luck and rural lifestyles. We are pretty pissed that our kids can't go to school, and that our businesses are at risk of fines or closures for non compliance of rules that have been blindly accepted by many.

The numbers and threat of this pandemic are becoming less believable all the time, and the old quote of "Those who choose safety over liberty --- is beginning to have real meaning to us.

I've got to believe that the real spreader of this "pandemic" is television and social media. jd

 

[Baer45]

I'm also somewhat of a fatalist, -- as well as a realist, pragmatist, skeptic, -- and I don't look to someone else to guarantee my health, well-being, or my life. I am in Jesus' hands.

I'm in Klamath County Oregon. About 70,000 souls, and we've had 280 cases of Covid (or presumed Covid), and 2 deaths. And yes, I think we are blessed to have such low numbers. Only 18 of the 280 have been hospitalized. (see stats below)



We are not an isolated area, being on one of the major highway arteries through Oregon. I'd say that our mask and distancing practices suck, and a great deal of us are skeptical and non compliant of these measures.

I think that we're fairly representative of the real world, as opposed to being just a case of good luck and rural lifestyles. We are pretty pissed that our kids can't go to school, and that our businesses are at risk of fines or closures for non compliance of rules that have been blindly accepted by many.

The numbers and threat of this pandemic are becoming less believable all the time, and the old quote of "Those who choose safety over liberty --- is beginning to have real meaning to us.

I've got to believe that the real spreader of this "pandemic" is television and social media. jd


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Very well stated! Straightforward common sense ....

 

[SGK]

I'm also somewhat of a fatalist, -- as well as a realist, pragmatist, skeptic, -- and I don't look to someone else to guarantee my health, well-being, or my life. I am in Jesus' hands.

So long as you don't expect Jesus to prevent your infection. Pragmatism rarely coexists well with fatalism. You must experience some interesting internal thought discussions.

I guess in such context it comes down to how the conversation would go at the pearly gates if the bouncer were to ask whether you were sensible with respect to endeavoring to prevent your infection and, possibly, contagion to others? Did you make sensible, risk-adjusted decisions and modify behaviors accordingly or were you just a dumbass? And did you make decisions and behave in a manner respectful of the risks to others in your flock? Hopefully you will have all good answers to such questions.

 

[SGK]

Looks like we have an interesting experiment about to unfold in Florida. Despite a 7DMA of confirmed infections that's 2.5x the level in early June and a 7DMA of deaths that is 3x higher De Santis has moved to lift all restrictions and even endeavor to undermine the authority of local governments to impose restrictions when they deem necessary. Clearly a politically driven move, but one, I guess, he's entitled to make and be judged against.

It will be interesting to see how the numbers go from here. Over the last month there's been a real sense here that curbs have had the right effect making it much safer to return to offices, frequent restaurants etc. Masks etc are a very minor inconvenience in return for falling rather than rising stats and it's been a pleasure to frequent restaurants with well-spaced seating and plenty of fresh air. As the weather begins to cool a little in the evenings al fresco dining is becoming more comfortable. Sure it's a bit of a pain to not be able to congregate at a bar but, in the grand scheme of things, again a minor inconvenience. Possibly the biggest inconvenience has been the 10pm curfews in places like Miami Beach. (The county has had an 11pm curfew.)

Many epidemiologists had projected the virus to sweep through the sunbelt before the wave was felt further inland as we head into Fall/Winter, but I would not be surprised if we see a second wave through the likes of FL at the same time.

 

[mike a]

You guys are all to high strung. I guess the strain is more than you can bare. Wonder were I got that. I’d still shoot with you JD as long as we don’t have to talk politics. We’re very different but like to do the same stuff. SGK you could of left the dumbass part out. Chill.

 

[Flouncer]

The phrase in bold above is false. The CDC has published comorbidity data all along, virtually in real time.

Roughly 3/4 of Americans (including you, right?) have one or more of the comorbidities that contribute to increased risk of death from COVID-19. They're common conditions (e.g., hypertension, obesity, diabetes).

You might want to bone up on the CDC guidelines for recording the cause of death on death certificates. The meme that only 6% of recorded COVID-19 deaths were caused directly by SARS-CoV-2 infection is a misapprehension.

Nah. It is not. The meme is as factual and misrepresented as anything else. The source is the CDC itself. At inception, you have to have data. The data has to be relevant and consistent. To date, we do not have those conditions governing our information. Or "data" upon which to make decisions. The commodities are an awesome tool to push the numbers any way one wishes. Fair is fair. But consider this. Thanks !! Consider that the 1918 "Spanish Flu", in the USA, took the young and the strong. Mortality was highest among 20-30 males. So, the deaths in this age group and from that pandemic are much less specious than the current outbreak. Those were almost all certainly flu deaths, and from the flu only. Not so the case right now. If anything, this little pack of protein love illustrates among many things how bad of shape a horde of Americans are. The fat, obese and hypertense = high blood pressure are killed at disproportionate rates. Compromised immune systems are second.

The CDC can not, has no way to validate what is marked on a death certificate provided to them. A for profit enterprise which was going belly up because the County or State issued an order that all non essential services be terminated resulted in instant red ink and layoffs. At that point, the BUSINESS has to make a BUSINESS decision. And they did. Covid19.

You have to have valid data, and at best we have conflicting or indecisive data.

I fully believe a post reckoning count will drop the fatalities significantly and expose widespread malpractice, fraud and corruption. My opinion.

Edit: the excess deaths info from the same link is better validation than the actual "cause of death".

 

[Bc'z]

So long as you don't expect Jesus to prevent your infection. Pragmatism rarely coexists well with fatalism. You must experience some interesting internal thought discussions.

I guess in such context it comes down to how the conversation would go at the pearly gates if the bouncer were to ask whether you were sensible with respect to endeavoring to prevent your infection and, possibly, contagion to others? Did you make sensible, risk-adjusted decisions and modify behaviors accordingly or were you just a dumbass? And did you make decisions and behave in a manner respectful of the risks to others in your flock? Hopefully you will have all good answers to such questions.

He's not asking Jesus to prevent infection, he's accepting this is all in God's plan.
That's what being a believer and having faith is all about.

 

[SGK]

SGK you could of left the dumbass part out.

Fair. To be clear, I wasn't calling JD a dumbass. My choice of words was a result of trying to be 'concise' in addressing those that act stupidly or selflessly without due regard for others.

Whether you believe you will be judged by another at your end of days or merely by yourself and/or those you leave behind, it comes down to reflecting on whether you made good choices, 'behaved in good character', for you and those around you. There's nothing fatalistic about it. There's an onus on each and every one of us.

 

[Knotwild]

Before you guys start bringing God into this, I would study up on that subject some more. You can even talk with Him about it if you like.

 

[Flouncer]

Before you guys start bringing God into this, I would study up on that subject some more. You can even talk with Him about it if you like.

Amen to that !!

 

[Brians356]

It will be interesting to see how the numbers go from here.

You'll never know if any new surge in cases would have been avoided by a continued restaurant lockdown. But new deaths are the key. He seems to be casting his lot with Sweden's (orange below) approach going forward.


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[LA50SHOOTER]

I have taken several COVID-19 tests to date as I am lucky enough to be considered as "an essential worker" and have not missed a days work since the beginning of this stated "pandemic". - Again, for the 4th time I test negative. (For that I'm Grateful) - I live with my wife & 3 cats (Lucky, Luke & Lola) in our home, when I'm not out here offshore on the ship working. - As far as what I've "done", I've tried to live a normal life and continue to work. - I haven't read all 86 pages of this "thread" and today I finally (and hopefully won't stir the pot to badly) decided to post "my experience" with this so called pandemic. - Both my wife and I Do "mask-up" where it is required by state mandate such as entering a store or a public place like the post office. - We've both always maintained good hygiene even before this came about, but more so made efforts to use hand sanitizer and to keep from touching our faces when being in a possible exposure environment. - We've gone out when we needed to as far as buying groceries and building materials as well as to the ranges where we shoot. - Here at work social distancing can be very difficult and we don't wear face masks. But the type of work that we do frequently requires multiple persons and in close vicinity of each other to accomplish certain tasks. - One thing that I have observed is the different reactions by different folks to this "pandemic". - I've observed people driving in cars with no one else inside the vehicle masked up and with nitrile gloves on, all the way to those who just outright refuse to wear any type of PPE at all. - To me this indicates differing levels of ignorance and even fear by folks. - It is obvious to me that this situation has been "weaponized" by some groups to instill fear into people, an hour of watching the news proves that to me, depending on the network.

- I don't have all the answers as I surely don't have all the information. - I've done my best to try to stay safe & sane through this so far & I have made a few minor "adjustments" to be compliant and caring to others.

All The Best To Each & All - Ron -