Copper bullets, I am over it.

[jackieschmidt]

Randy Selby can be pretty obnoxious at times, but sometimes he does make sense.

 

[Chris kloster]

Randy Selby can be pretty obnoxious at times, but sometimes he does make sense.

Can’t stand him

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Can’t stand him

What’s wrong with respecting his life long experience?

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Randy Selby can be pretty obnoxious at times, but sometimes he does make sense.

That’s about 350 yards doable for us Creedmoor Boys!

 

[SixFive]

Can’t stand him

Me either, painful to listen to and usually he is captain obvious.

 

[Chris kloster]

What’s wrong with respecting his life long experience?

Not his experience, it’s how he speaks as though he is the authority and anyone who had other experiences are unreasonable

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Not his experience, it’s how he speaks as though he is the authority and anyone who had other

I probably spoke out of turn, I have watched very few videos of his work. Actually I probably envy and want to hear stories from men this age that got to hunt a lot of animals before it came so cost prohibitive.

 

[Triple BB]

Randy Selby can be pretty obnoxious at times, but sometimes he does make sense.

Obnoxious know it all. Made a little way in and shut it off.

 

[Juma]

Nathan Foster in NZ is that expert and I urge you to explore his website fully to examine the vast experience gained as a guide and long range shooter.
He also has several books on rifle selection and long range game shooting and works closely with some of the big projectile manufacturers on their projectile terminal performance.
In frustration with a 7mm RUM he developed the 7mm Practical that performs very nearly as well but doesn't suffer from premature throat erosion and I have seen one of these shoot a sub 3" group at 1000yds.

He once wrote about the 223wsm but when challenged on it admitted he had no real experience with this calibre. Enuff said.

 

[1K6BRA]

Randy Selby can be pretty obnoxious at times, but sometimes he does make sense.

Just sounds like good old school common sense stuff to me. In today’s world of the truth does not apply to me, I guess he would make no sense.

 

[Fire Dog]

Speer Hot-Cors for 35yrs and counting

My 338 Federal on a Tikka T3 just rolls dem lil piggies wid does 200gr Hot-Cor..

 

[jackieschmidt]

Just sounds like good old school common sense stuff to me. In today’s world of the truth does not apply to me, I guess he would make no sense.

I have watched the majority of his videos, and he is a mixture of fact and opinion. The problems arise when he starts stating his opinion as fact.

His biggest beef, (campaign), seems to be with those who, in his opinion, take unwarranted long range shots at game animals, Elk and Big Horn Sheep in particular. He claims to have documented proof of multitudes of wounded animals left by hunters who want to take game at longer ranges but then don’t bother to track the animal in the event of a non fatal wound.

He also has a beef with the preoccupation of Ballistic Coefficients when it becomes the deciding factor in bullet choice at the cost of proper bullet performance in animals.

Granted, much of what he says is anecdotal, based on his own personal experiences. There is a growing number of adversaries to his line of thinking on heir own YouTube channels, most with the attitude that Selby needs to get out of the 20th century and into the 21st.

 

[Lefty2506]

I happen to like copper projectiles, but I get it. There are a lot of them that I won't even try to shoot, including Barnes rifle bullets. I've had excellent and consistent results out of Cavity Back's MKZ, but I think they use a softer alloy than most. I've heard the same thing about Maker, and I've met several people who LOVE their bullets. I'm not a fan of anything that's supposed to fragment. I get the idea, but there are just too many variables in a hunting situation for me to trust something that's SUPPOSED to start shedding weight right away. I'm not after a TON of damage. I'm after consistent good expansion and a straight, deep wound channel. If I want a ton of damage, I'll pull out my smokeless muzzleloader and hit them with a 300gr SST doing +2400 fps. It blows bone frag through the chest cavity and turns everything into a bowl of jelly, but it also ruins one or both front shoulders if you hit them. I've knocked a few down with it, but they all still get up and run 50 to 100 yds unless I hit the CNS (neck, or high shoulder).

 

[JLB5482]

As a hunter I have learned to HATE solid copper bullets. I know many of you think they are wonderful but I have tried, Barnes, Hammer, and Cutting Edge and simply do not see the terminal performance good bullets create like Terminal Ascent, Bondstrike, Partition, Ballistic Tip or Accubond. Do copper bullets kill deer? Sure but honestly I can kill a deer with a 22 rimfire, that doesn't make it the right bullet.

Even non premium bullets like CoreLokt, SST, and Hot Core perform better than copper in my opinion.

I have many different calibers and have tested copper bullets on deer for three years from 6mm Creedmoor to 300Rum same inconsistent performance half of the time. I like to dump a ton of energy on Target with a strong chance of a passthrough. I am not bragging guys but most of the deer I shoot with Bondstrike or Terminal Ascent FALL OVER IN PLACE, BANG FLOP. I know, I know sometimes they just run regardless but I am telling you out of the last 7 deer shot with Bondstrike bullets they were 100% bang flops (I shoot high shoulder towards the neck). I rarely see this from copper, they do not go far but they do go unless I neck shoot them.

I truly gave solid copper a fair chance, among my many friends I have seen the inconsistency of especially Barnes. To slow doesn't open well, to fast it pin holes. I just do not have time for it and I am over it. Rant over

The final straw was last night my friend had a perfect heart lung with 130ttsx from a 30-06 about 100yards, tracked that stupid deer for an hour went over 100 yards. We skinned it out at my house and it once again was a PIN hole through and through, perfect shot but horrible expansion and complete pass through dumping little to no energy in the deer.

One note in fairness: Copper can be very destructive bullets WHEN heavy bone is hit. I will also concede solid coppers have a place in Africa.

I know all the fans of copper will chime in here with stories and pictures of devastated deer they have killed with copper, good for you, my experience is they are INCONSISTANT, do great one time and the next who knows.

I will be selling off every solid copper bullet I own shortly, I have a bunch!

Try shooting the animals you are hunting in the neck.

 

[Lefty2506]

For the suggestion box:
ballistics gel will show you what damage your bullet does, or cheaper, buy a roast, wrap it in plastic wrap, and shoot it.

I'm thinking a roast with a container of whipped cream behind it. To me, lungs feel like whipped cream. Another option instead of the roast (for when you don't hit bone) would be a package of bacon. I always liked Paul Harrel's "meat target" which was ribs, then a bag of oranges, then more ribs.

 

[SeabeeKen]

The link below is an example why I went to all copper more than 30 years ago, along with an xray of a deer full of lead bits. I have used Barnes TSX and Hammers in the taking of more than 100 deer over that time and the only failure was a GMX bullet that penciled thru from my 280AI, the second expanded and dropped the deer. Tossed the entire box in the trash. I took 5 this year, so far and all with Barnes bullets from both my muzzle loader and my 6mmAI. All lung shot and all ran about 25-30 yds and piled up. The running aids in them bleeding out. The lungs in all were chopped up and looked like a blender blade went thru them. I have never recovered a barnes or hammer bullet and this year was the first time a recovered a piece of a Barnes, a petal broke off and lodged under the hide near the exit hole. My son uses Hammers and several friends use copper Maker bullets and love them. I find much less meat damage with copper also. To each their own, use whatever you want. My experience with copper has been excellent and I don't find lead bits and copper jackets anymore either.

Health Risks of Lead in Venison: Gray Toxin or Red Herring? | Deer & Deer Hunting

Find out if bird biologists' concerns about the effects of lead in venison on human health are legitimate or just an effort to save birds.

www.deeranddeerhunting.com

 

[divingin]

You didn't get around it, you fell right in their trap, essentially they took your gun and you stood right there and let them do it, that's what they wanted you to do.

I still have my guns. Except the ones I sold back in the 80's. And several new ones bought in the last several years. Don't push your agenda by analyzing people you know nothing about.

 

[cmysix]

I still have my guns. Except the ones I sold back in the 80's. And several new ones bought in the last several years. Don't push your agenda by analyzing people you know nothing about.

I have no agenda.

 

[Bc'z]

Hell, I think I found the perfect Bulliet...
Testing is underway

 

[MQ1]

As for the "new technology" that is not yet available in America, regarding the DRT bullets, he is keenly unaware that we have had such technology in lead-free design here in the U.S for well over ten years, in the form of varmint bullets - such as Hornady NTX, Nosler lead-free Ballistic Tips and Barnes Varmint Grenades as three I can recall offhand that use sintered, compressed compounds. So - why haven't our lead-free ammo producers made them in big-game bullets? I'd go out on a limb and say one doesn't want the bullet to come apart and dump all its energy on impact - which is what that guy seems to think is ideal. If it worked so well on varmints (and they DO), my guess is we would have seen such a product already for big game. Sounds to me like this guy is hoping to be the "expert" to persuade his government to not go lead-free. For that, I don't blame him - but let's get the facts straight - otherwise one loses all credibility on what he says that is true.

I think that DRT‘s methods of using compressed tungsten may very well be different than how other bullet manufacturers use compressed sintered copper/tin alloys. I’ve not always been impressed with the lead free Nosler BT nor the Varmint Grenades, and from personal experience have seen them not live up to their marketing. That is why I bought enough to try out…and see if there is a difference. They do seem to measure and weigh like lead, and that does promise a little better ballistics vs copper or tin.

I do wish one of these companies would make a lead free, compressed core .257 bullet. I think a 60 grain Varmint Grenade or Lehigh Controlled Chaos would be impressive out of a 25-06 for a couple hundred yards.

MQ1