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Because of newly-passed legislation in California, we are asking that ALL Forum members now avoid any postings that involve under-18 marksmanship training, shooting clinics, hunting and firearms use. Don't talk about taking kids to the range. Don't post about rifles built or acquired for youngsters to shoot. Don't post about taking your kids or grandkids shooting.

Explanation of new law: https://www.nraila.org/articles/202...st-and-second-amendments-with-advertising-ban

The State of California has passed a law, effective 7/1/2022, that imposes a fine up to $25,000 for any "marketing" or content which would encourage minors to be interested in guns or shooting. Among the provisions are: "A firearm industry member shall not advertise, market, or arrange for placement of an advertising or marketing communication concerning any firearm-related product in a manner that is designed, intended, or reasonably appears to be attractive to minors."

The CA Leg. Counsel notes: "The bill would make each copy or republication of marketing or advertising prohibited by these provisions a separate violation."

I don't want to go into details, but this statute, AB 2571, is a serious threat to this website, the most serious threat since the site started 18 years ago.

A lawsuit has been filed challenging this CA law, but it could be months, or even years, before there is a decision.

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One last note -- I know some members will react with "You can go to h*ll Admin -- don't cave to the radical libs", and accordingly, will deliberately post content in defiance of our request. Understand this -- YOU are not facing a penalty of up to $25,000 per "communication". Yes we believe that this legislation is unconstitutional for multiple reasons. But, in order to preserve the Forum, we need to be very cautious.

We have contacted the CMP, the NSSF, and the California Rifle and Pistol Association. We are aggressively trying to learn what can be done about this legislation. But AB 2571 is so vague, and so broad, that it appears it could encompass a huge range of activities. For example, it could, potentially impose a $25,000 fine for advertising a shooting coat sized for teens, or a $25,000 fine for showing teens at a shooting competition. At least that's what the unconstitutional language of AB 2571 threatens.
 
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You need to leave that "state".

Editor: The statute would apply to parties, companies, and organizations out of state as well -- basically anyone whose "message" could reach California residents. We are now looking at ways we could blacklist the entire state of California.
 
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I was sorry to read what you’re going through. I will comply with your request. I’ll have to be careful, because when I say “kids”, I’m talking about 40-50 year olds!
PS: I can help you find a nice place near me in Texas! I’ll even put you up while you look around.
Take care!
 
California is going to lose a lot of revenue from Jr age hunting lic, tags, fishing lic and other items people, under 18 yrs, buy. Newsom could care less and the female attorney that drafted this bill as no idea what it will cost the state.
 
California is going to lose a lot of revenue from Jr age hunting lic, tags, fishing lic and other items people, under 18 yrs, buy. Newsom could care less and the female attorney that drafted this bill as no idea what it will cost the state.
And who said they gave a rat's A.. about the state.

They generate so much from other blood sucking txes, fees and other bull sh..t that hunting tags is peanuts to these politicians.
 
and bring the servers with you!

Forum Boss: The law would apply to any persons/companies sending information into California... NOT just California residents/businesses.
So, I show a pictures of minors hunting in a different state and my intent is for it to displayed locally but because someone in California can access those now the site hosting is in violation? I'm not sending it to California someone there is taking it off cyberspace! Can servers be configured to not connect to California IPs?

So are airsoft and BB guns included? What about all the shoot em ups filmed by Hollywood, don't they have some marketing about guns, maybe not to youths but still its out there.
 
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This is very disappointing, to put it mildly. My friend Boyd Allen and I were talking about this earlier. I'm not sure how you can market to someone who can't buy your product because of legal age requirements, but it's probably best to play it safe, as you are. Even a youth gun is only marketed to the buyer and they must be above 18. I don't get it.
 
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