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Considering Going With a Custom Die

So......Neck turn....Size FL size ( neck included ), give yourself a few K shoulder bump & load them into the lands ( maybe even soft seat them ). Does that about cover it. I have been FL sizing & only sizing the neck aprox. 2/3 under the assumption that the other 1/3 was helping keep things going strait into the barrel. Is my 1st. 1/3 introducing a variable that is hindering my accuracy?

Regards
Rick

Thats all good except how are you sizing only 2/3 of the neck- are you backing the bushing stop out? Really all you need is a spot the size of where a donut would be- not a whole 1/3. Usually just backing off enough for the bushing to rattle plus the radius on the edge of the bushing is what i consider perfect. Give that a try- itll be easier on your bolt lugs, brass and the whole setup
 
Take this for what it's worth. I've got two ARs that are fairly accurate relatively speaking (~ a very consistent .65-.75 MOA). Previously I'd been using your standard Redding FL sizing dies (leaving the expander in) and bumping ~.006-.007 in this specific AR15. I recently tried an experiment of loading for it the same I would my bolt gun (neck turned LC brass, bumped the shoulder .002, bushing FL sized .003 under loaded diameter, and mandrel expanded up for .001 neck tension; all brass perfectly trimmed in Giraud) and didn't see any difference in group size or group consistency. I also didn't have any problems with bullet setback or any drama associated with auto/mag loading; go figure.

I'm confident this barrel would be garbage in the service rifle comp world, but it's a shooter relative to most of the ARs that I encounter in the wild. That said, if you're running a Krieger or Bartlein etc. it may be worth trying some of the methods that are listed in this thread, but it's my opinion with ARs they just aren't as sensitive to brass prep, or if they are, that's all vastly over-shadowed by barrel quality, gas system setup, buffer/spring setup, BCG etc.

Basically, with a high quality bolt gun I've been able to see differences on paper with hyper-anal reloading practices; I haven't gotten those same results with my ARs.

Lastly, you can do all the brass prep you want in the world, but if the gun isn't setup right, it's all wasted effort. I've had a few AR10s in .260; one of which was way over-gassed (rifle length gas; not extended). That thing would literally deform case heads on new Lapua brass trying to rip it out of the chamber, using relatively tame load data.

Edit: This was mentioned in another thread today about custom dies, but it bears repeating. Custom dies are great, but they'll be setup for brass out of that gun/from that reamer. If you've got a reamer that you'll use to chamber barrels until you die, great. If not, it might not be a wise investment.
 
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I take it you guys are referring to using the Lee collet dies? Since I do not currently own a custom set of dies, I always try and use a body die followed by an expand mandrel to set the desired neck tension: I cringe at the thought of pulling the expander ball back through the case neck.

However, I would be open to giving the collet die a try.

Thanks
Lee collet dies are fantastic. It cut the runout from my bushing neck sizing dies in half
 
Lee collet dies are fantastic. It cut the runout from my bushing neck sizing dies in half

I just remembered I have a few sets of the LEE dies I purchased years ago for use with the 223, 308, and 30-06. However, before ever really giving the dies a chance, I moved on to other dies: I do use the factory crimp die. Maybe I should go back and give them a try because I believe each die came with a collet die..doh!

Cheers!
 
I just remembered I have a few sets of the LEE dies I purchased years ago for use with the 223, 308, and 30-06. However, before ever really giving the dies a chance, I moved on to other dies: I do use the factory crimp die. Maybe I should go back and give them a try because I believe each die came with a collet die..doh!

Cheers!
I know they are not a high end die, but for 30. Dollars, they produce a pretty straight plinking or hunting round, I get 1/4 inch groups using it
 
No need for a custom Die for my 308.
Wilson doesIMG_0792.JPG the trick, even comes with both size decapper rods.
Smoothest Die I own and minimum sizing as well.
 

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