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concentricity issues

Fwiw I have sized lake city 5.56 brass, I've tried both redding type s full length and neck dies and with both dies with larger bushing and the final size bushing , with and without button. I cannot get the concentric its down to .001 consistently. They usually came out to greater than .oo3 to .oo4. Good for factory chambered ar. For my custom bolt I used:

Lapua and hornady brass. You can use any combo you going to get less than .001. I don't use button for sizing Hornady or lapua brass. I have come to realize that the lake city brass sucks in regards to concentricity. I just ran a few 12x loaded hornady rounds. They are less .001.
 
ShootDots said: Joe, that is quite a set up! Ingenious is the word! I might just have to get me one! Thanks for sharing!

Boy Ben,
You just made my day. Considering that you are the kind of shooter that I have to look up to see the bottom of your shoes, I am flattered and honored that I could be of help.

Joe
 
Joe R said:
ShootDots said: Joe, that is quite a set up! Ingenious is the word! I might just have to get me one! Thanks for sharing!

Boy Ben,
You just made my day. Considering that you are the kind of shooter that I have to look up to see the bottom of your shoes, I am flattered and honored that I could be of help.

Joe

After my debacle today Joe, you would be looking me in the eye! You have the right equipment, the right attitude and the patience to learn wind reading... All you lack is time on the trigger... That. my friend will just come as it comes..
 
bigedp51 said:
krprice84

Questions:

1. When you full length resized your cases the first time did you use a standard FL die or a bushing die?

2. When you did the first FL length resizing was your shell holder making hard contact with the die meaning press cam over?

3. And when full length resizing did you pause at the top of the ram stroke for 4 to 5 seconds to help lesson the brass spring back?

4. Are your Canadian Military IVI cases known for being top quality brass or is it just average brass and all you could get your hands on at this time.

FYI CatShooter made the comment that our American military Lake City cases are the top of the line "BUT" Federal loads Lake City cases that failed military quality control standards and sometimes they leave a lot to be desired when it comes to uniformity.

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BigEd,

1. Standard full length die, followed by the collet neck die to get it to the correct diameter (expander mandrel removed from full length die). This generally results in about 1-1.5 thou runout consistently - so consistently it makes me wonder if my die is somehow out by that much, as it is incredibly incredibly rare to see less than 1 thou at the neck.

2. The die was adjusted so that it set back the shoulder to the correct headspace for the rifle. This meant enough contact that the press cams over, but I could tighten it and gain an extra 2-3 thou I'd say of headspace if I needed/wanted. My gun has very short headspace (the go gauge just sneaks closed, JUST, after lapping the lugs for full contact).

3 I pause for about 2-3 seconds I'd say, remembering that the brass is also freshly annealed. Think I should wait longer? I tried waiting longer before and really didn't see any measurable difference wrt headspace, neck diameter, runout.

4. They are supposed to be very good quality, and I personally feel they are. I just weighed 100 pieces and came out with all of them being within 1.6 grains, with 95percent within 0.75 grains of one another. 85 percent were within 0.44 grains. Water capacity was within 0.3 grains for all but one, and that one was .2 grains from the average (low). To me, that is incredibly consistent. Unfortunately I do not have a method yet to measure wall thickness but i think I can devise something pretty easily, might try to do that this week, but gong to get to the range this weekend hopefully and finish some load development, see what my gun and me like most between Sierra 69 and 77 match kings, 70 and 75 grain Berger VLD, and then for prairie dogs I'm testing out 50 and 55 grain v-maz and game kings, plus 64 grain Berger flat base for coyote. Yes, I have a good weekend of shooting coming up. Don't get out as much as I'd as I am a single dad, so getting out all day means either arranging a whole day for Charlotte to go to a friend's place, or it means me bringing enough stuff for her to do she gets tired of shooting her rascal (she's only turning six next month :).

My full length bushing die gong to be another week or more as Redding put a 6br die in a 223 box grrrr
 
Joe R said:
krprice84 said: Having said that, I still find it odd that some cases which measure 1 thou at location x will end up with a bullet runout measured at location b of less than 2 thou (which is approximate to the tangent of the angle of runout and the change in the adjacent line distance in the triangle - that is, doubling the distance from the shoulder should double the measured runout, assuming that the angle developed is from a cocked neck and not the banana shape, which I am not sure is occurring as I have done my best to measure and eliminate, though the neco tool would provide for measuring this better than the Sinclair tool, it is still doable to a lesser degree maybe with the Sinclair tool.)

krprice84,
I don't mean to get off topic, and I'm just a cub compared to some of the guys here, but having tried both the Sinclair and the NECO gauges I found them to be really tedious, slow and user error prone. I did find the CTK Precision gauge and it is in a different league. The other two seem positively primitive by comparison; of course it is a $400 gauge. If you have the money this is one of the tools that I wouldn't do without.

If you want to see one in action go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UukFQTa6Gws

regards,

Joe

Joe, seen it before and love the idea, just can't drop that much on a gauge right yet. Maybe some time but the tedious nature of the Sinclair still gets the job done, for most part. Just have to be real careful. Though, I think that unit is awesome and will be what I end up with when I get my long range gun (300wm, 7mm RM, or maybe just a 308 - still new enough to this sport that my 223 is enough for now, though getting very close to buying a bigger gun to go with this one). I do like the 223 for how cheap it is to get lots of practice with, and how much more sensitive it is to inconsistency in loading technique - it's helping fine tune my technique for sure
 
ShootDots said:
Joe R said:
ShootDots said: Joe, that is quite a set up! Ingenious is the word! I might just have to get me one! Thanks for sharing!

Boy Ben,
You just made my day. Considering that you are the kind of shooter that I have to look up to see the bottom of your shoes, I am flattered and honored that I could be of help.

Joe

After my debacle today Joe, you would be looking me in the eye! You have the right equipment, the right attitude and the patience to learn wind reading... All you lack is time on the trigger... That. my friend will just come as it comes..

This kind of attitude and encouragement is why I have come to love reading and being on this forum. I don't enough of that at Canadian gun nuts, sucks because it's cool to talk to other canucks, too bad there aren't enough pros up here, or at least not enough that want to be part of that forum (or maybe they are and they get drowned out lol).

Either way, awesome
 

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