hoz53
Gold $$ Contributor
If the "real" dealer price of these is 300 to 500 more than a 686 then they should be better in some way(s), besides just looking like a python. i hope they are
Colt Python 2020
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shortgrass
Silver $$ Contributor
No Thanks, Dusty. I'll hang on to my 586s & 686s,,,,,,,, and the rest of my S&Ws too.
brokeasajoke
Silver $$ Contributor
I just paid about $640 for a GP100 7shot .357 6"I have three - two blued, 586's - 6", one stainless, 686 - 6" - that should give you some idea how I feel about the S&W "L" frame revolvers.
Now days only rich men can afford an S&W revolver - last I checked the 686's new were going for over $700.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
With the prices on the sanded finish of the new ones if they came out with a blued one youd be cheaper buying an old one. Id bet it would have the same finish as a remington cdl
The Python resurrection is Colt reach back to come up with a product. They really haven't accomplished much in firearms innovation in recent times. It's as if they are looking back, not ahead. It appears to be an upper management problem.
I personally wish they had done something similar to US Firearms.
I personally wish they had done something similar to US Firearms.
Well, Those of you that do own an original Python can thank god I do not. Because, if I owned one the price would fall like a rock. Due to the fact I don't own an original Python, the prices should stay up.
Backordered, but it looks like a semi-bright stainless steel is around $1,480. at SWFA.
https://www.swfa.com/colt-python-357-magnum-1.html?dm_i=3YFN,948P,3YTPAR,YEJ5,1
https://www.swfa.com/colt-python-357-magnum-1.html?dm_i=3YFN,948P,3YTPAR,YEJ5,1
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
The bulletin on it said the internals were redesigned. I guess the hand fitting wasnt in the budget
I think it will be so different it will barely do anything. Maybe cut it down for the rougher condition originals being propped up only by rarity, but the mint royal blue ones will hold value, they are simply too different.
I wonder if anyone has both new and old, yet, and can share a comparison opinion?
A big portion of the value of the old Pythons has been the fact that supply was fixed and could only decrease.
I don’t believe it’s impossible to improve on the old pythons within the new MSRP. But that may not bear on valuations. I doubt they use any of the old processes.
There were handmade sports cars from the 70’s to 90’s that are more costly now than objectively “better” but purely robotically assembled replacements. Some people prefer analog to digital.
Lab diamonds are not more valuable than natural.
A big portion of the value of the old Pythons has been the fact that supply was fixed and could only decrease.
I don’t believe it’s impossible to improve on the old pythons within the new MSRP. But that may not bear on valuations. I doubt they use any of the old processes.
There were handmade sports cars from the 70’s to 90’s that are more costly now than objectively “better” but purely robotically assembled replacements. Some people prefer analog to digital.
Lab diamonds are not more valuable than natural.
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rkittine
Gold $$ Contributor
Yep, no more hand fitting of internal parts and a new trigger assembly. No Royal Blue finish, but I wanted a S/S one to go with my original, that I paid $158.00 for when I was a Colt Dealer in the 70s and never fired. Someday I might even fire it.
From someone that received his recently:
The gun is gorgeous and impressive. DA pull is superb. Lockup and timing are excellent, finish is amazing. But there are some issues and observations, here is a list of them starting with the most serious:
1) Cylinder latch sticking (severe). The cylinder latch has severe locking issues. There is a “hitch” when closing the cylinder, I have to forcefully press it back into the frame to close it. Pressing the release with any inward pressure totally locks it up, making the cylinder impossible to open. There seems there must be a burr or something in there, it’s just totally not working right. Cleaning, oiling, trying to work it in over two days, nothing is helping.
2) Burrs at crown. The crown is roughly finished with noticeable burrs. Also, the rifling looks somewhat rough.
3) Rear sight has quite a lot of play, more than I’d think should be acceptable.
Some observations are the cylinder/barrel gap is incredibly tight, .001-.0015. Seems like this could be an issue once the cylinder heats up from shooting magnums. Single action trigger is unfortunately gritty and pretty heavy. Like I said the DA pull is excellent but the SA is not.
I called Colt this morning, they’re sending a shipping label. Will advise as this progresses. Hoping it is repaired properly and in a timely fashion. I want to love this gun, it’s very pretty.
I am posting this purely for your information only. Just trying to pass on my experience and data point of 1. Thanks guys,
Bob
From someone that received his recently:
The gun is gorgeous and impressive. DA pull is superb. Lockup and timing are excellent, finish is amazing. But there are some issues and observations, here is a list of them starting with the most serious:
1) Cylinder latch sticking (severe). The cylinder latch has severe locking issues. There is a “hitch” when closing the cylinder, I have to forcefully press it back into the frame to close it. Pressing the release with any inward pressure totally locks it up, making the cylinder impossible to open. There seems there must be a burr or something in there, it’s just totally not working right. Cleaning, oiling, trying to work it in over two days, nothing is helping.
2) Burrs at crown. The crown is roughly finished with noticeable burrs. Also, the rifling looks somewhat rough.
3) Rear sight has quite a lot of play, more than I’d think should be acceptable.
Some observations are the cylinder/barrel gap is incredibly tight, .001-.0015. Seems like this could be an issue once the cylinder heats up from shooting magnums. Single action trigger is unfortunately gritty and pretty heavy. Like I said the DA pull is excellent but the SA is not.
I called Colt this morning, they’re sending a shipping label. Will advise as this progresses. Hoping it is repaired properly and in a timely fashion. I want to love this gun, it’s very pretty.
I am posting this purely for your information only. Just trying to pass on my experience and data point of 1. Thanks guys,
Bob
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No you just need to make them in Taiwan or in Eastern Europe with lots of quality control and not push them out the door like Taurus does! LOL I do not know arms inport laws but I know I could contract them out and bring a fantastic product to market at a profit for well under $1200!!! It would take me longer than I care too invest to put together the numbers for fun. LOL
It is not that hard to make a great product this simple at a profit with modern manufacturing, design and infrastructure. The real problem is when you are trying to do it with too much dead weight and old factories and old machinery and old designs and old materials! There is a sweet spot in terms of company size, manpower, plant size, design and machinery age for every situation. Quality control and waste management from top to bottom is so important. If you design in precision from top to bottom and make the right choices in management, design, logistics, machinery investment and sound outsourcing it is like winning the loto in terms of everything coming together and the momentum from each step building on the last.
Company culture is also important and often times the culture at a company can make or break a company short term and long-term.
Colt could not compete in the price point war that is AR-15's! So since they messed that up long ago and let the competition in the door and almost rolled out the red carpet for them it was sad but a wise move for them to get out. Colt has a history of messing up a sure thing. Kind of like a person that seems to always date toxic men or women over and over and over again.
It is hard to get money at times to reinvent yourself until you have reinvented yourself! LOL.....Investors want a sure thing and not taking the right risks at the right time almost always works out badly. It takes what could have been a fantastic opportunity or design and turns each decision into a liability usually producing a polished turd or turning everything you touch from gold to lead! People start to doubt themselves and that leads to more bad decisions! Machinery get's older and that drives up production cost and drives down fit and finish.
Colt has decided to create exclusivity with pricing let's see what the market says? I do not think people will have a problem at all with the price if they compare well to the originals. If they get them 85% of the way there they will sell like hot cakes. Given manufacturing technology and materials they might just be better than the originals only time will tell!
I would love to see Colt get back on it's feet. I have not forgiven them yet for the terrible job they did with the Ultra Light Arms fiasco! It was a classic case of Colt having "Golden Opportunity" to print money and them burning it down like matchsticks!!! So I am prepared for the worst but I am hoping for the best!
Having been in the domestic automotive world I have seen fantastic opportunities and designs ran into the ground by corporate culture, bean counter's, internal politics and squeezing suppliers regularly for cost reduction with out validation of redesigns!
I have seen a design change to save $.03 per vehicle turn around and bit a company in the rear to the tune of hundreds of millions of $$$$ in recalls and that again in court settlements! It only takes one minor cost saving mistake to destroy a company! MBA's, Shareholders, Hedge Fund Managers only think about about quarterly and annual profits and that sort of thinking is what holds back so many companies!
Well, it looks like they are having trouble with the first batch. A couple of guys on youtube have guns that started not turning the cylinder. (including Hickock45) I hope it is just a first run problem and not one of those deals where you just cannot build a Python that works for less than $5k. Time will tell. (but dang it, I have wanted one for 40 years and would never pay what the old ones sell for.)
The Colt Python appears to me to be hype, old or new. I read that the originals were prone to have internal problems with wear and had to be sent back to Colt for repair if shot much. They were like the 686 - comfortable to shoot sized, but not a nice carrying size like the S&W model 19, or heavy enough to never wear out like the S&W Model 27, 28, and triple lock. And, unless someone educates me, the revolver greats like Askins, Jordan, or Keith never seemed to salivate over them. I'll take my gunsmith slicked 5" Model 27 any day.
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