Butches bore shine

[dbaird]

Will Butches bore shine remove copper fowling if left in bore overnight. What is your choice for copper removal?

 

[Mark W]

Will Butches bore shine remove copper fowling if left in bore overnight. What is your choice for copper removal?

You’ll get lots of different answers, but KG 12 is the most effective copper remover that I’ve used. It doesn’t turn blue like an ammonia based cleaner, so you need a bore scope to verify that it’s doing anything. With the Teslong bore scope available for $50 everyone can figure out what really works.

 

[fatelvis]

For copper removal I recommend Boretech CU+2 or Eliminator. No smell and fast acting on copper.

 

[LRPV]

Will Butches bore shine remove copper fowling if left in bore overnight. What is your choice for copper removal?

Yes Butch's will remove copper.

 

[powderbrake]

I also recommend Bore Tech CU + copper remover. It works by a chemical conversion of the copper, so you can leave it in overnight. I redo it after about a half hour until it shows no copper traces.

I also highly recommend Deweys copper eliminator series of rods and jags and brushes, which contain no copper, so when you see the blue, you know it is from copper being taken from the bore.
https://deweyrods.com/product-category/gun-cleaning-individual-rods/copper-eliminator-series/

 

[jepp2]

Yes Butch's will remove copper.

Agree totally. But I'm basing my observations on if I am getting blue on a patch or not.

Based on that, Butch's will remove some of the copper. Then my patches no longer have any blue on them. Borescope observation confirms some copper is remaining. When I go to Boretec Eliminator or Cu remover I get more blue patches, and when I am no longer getting any blue, my borescope says the bore is copper free.

But I don't try to remove all the copper every cleaning, and on those occasions, I just use Butch's.

 

[Texas10]

One thing I'd like to emphasise regardless of what product you choose. If it's water based and your barrel is chrome steel, be absolutely sure you get all the product out, dry the barrel and give it a coat of oil before packing it away. The Teslong camera will vividly display any rusting should you inadvertently skip this step. Don't ask me how I know

Teslong saved my barrel!

 

[Willie]

Butch's was my go to, until I tried Boretech.

 

[JimPag]

KG12 without a doubt is the most aggressive copper remover that I have tried and I've tried just about everything. Boretech is a close second.

 

[sqrlgtr]

Butch's was my go to, until I tried Boretech.

Same here

 

[chop house]

Butch's was my go to, until I tried Boretech.

i happen to have both on my bench and a rough 20 cal barrel fresh from the copper mine... with plenty of teslong evidence from recent powder tests. i'll leave the cap on the clr and find out.......

 

[wkdickinson]

+1 for Boretech Eliminator, try it after you think your bore is clean, using your normal regimen and see what comes out. I was shocked!

 

[hpshooter]

"]KG12 without a doubt is the most aggressive copper remover that I have tried and I've tried just about everything. Boretech is a close second."

Jim,
Is it more aggressive than Sweets 7.62?

 

[chop house]

i happen to have both on my bench and a rough 20 cal barrel fresh from the copper mine... with plenty of teslong evidence from recent powder tests. i'll leave the cap on the clr and find out.......

shooters choice for powder, then c4 for 'most' of the copper. 15 minutes total...

start, after shooters choice, after c4 first passes, after c4 10 min soak.....

 

[fatelvis]

shooters choice for powder, then c4 for 'most' of the copper. 15 minutes total...

start, after shooters choice, after c4 first passes, after c4 10 min soak.....
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Hey Chop, by any chance is that a Savage barrel?

 

[chop house]

Hey Chop, by any chance is that a Savage barrel?

well, yeah...

i have bartleins, x-cals, douglas, shilens also... but they are mostly no real test. now i have to go shoot it dirty again and repeat with butch's. it will only take a ladder or two to get it back to 'start'....

you have familiarity with the concept of accelerated life cycle testing? hahaha

 

[LRPV]

Agree totally. But I'm basing my observations on if I am getting blue on a patch or not.

Based on that, Butch's will remove some of the copper. Then my patches no longer have any blue on them. Borescope observation confirms some copper is remaining. When I go to Boretec Eliminator or Cu remover I get more blue patches, and when I am no longer getting any blue, my borescope says the bore is copper free.

But I don't try to remove all the copper every cleaning, and on those occasions, I just use Butch's.

Not gonna argue that there are not more effective copper cleaners on the market just simply answering the OP’s question.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Nothing is free of copper in my mind until I leave Sweets in overnight and have a pure white match in the morning.

 

[hpshooter]

"I leave Sweets in overnight and have a pure white match in the morning."

I have never been brave enough to leave Sweets in a bore over 30 minutes without neutralizing it with denatures alcohol and oiling the bore. The first really good barrel I had on an M1A XTC rifle years ago shot like a house a fire but after a match was choppered up very badly. 3 to 4 rounds of Sweets and it was ready to go again. Subsequent barrels from the same manufacture would only have a hint of copper in them and shot almost as good as the first one.

 

[PWS]

Same here, hpshooter. I once toasted a stainless barrel with an overnight soak of Butch's. Extenuating circumstances include the rifle was shot on a rainy day so may have had water in the bore and may have also had some lead fouling. Anyway, first patches came out rust red and that was that.