This is what I use.I am still new here but if bronze brushes are preferred for cleaning the bore then how does someone differentiate between actually copper reacting with the solvent and the bronze bore brush?
Easy sir, after brushing mine I patch it out and put a wet patch in the bore with my SS jag and let it set. Patch it out and if you have a blue patch you have copper in your barrel.This is what I use.
Copper Eliminator Series Jags | J Dewey Rods
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I believe I will do the same.It looks like I need to go shopping for some non-brass patch jags. Thank you everyone.
Could you please post a photo of the damage you describe to the edge of the crown? I’m not saying you haven’t seen it but I never have and would like to know what to look for.This is a controversial topic.
Just want to add three things.
1. You might be surprised at the relatively conservative cleaning done by top-level F-Class shooters and long range shooters. Short-range benchrest is a different story.
2. You will definitely benefit by cleaning your barrel as soon as possible after the day's match or relay, BEFORE you leave the range. The carbon is much easier to remove in a warm barrel before the carbon hardens.
3. I have personally seen damage to barrel crowns from guys using bronze brushes which exited the barrel then were reversed and pulled back across the muzzle. I recommend removing the brush after exiting the barrel.
Yes I know many short-range 6PPC Hall of Famer's brush back and forth. But those guys typically toss their barrels in under 1000 rounds, and they may "touch up" the crown along the way.
Note what Frank from Bartlein posted above: "At times you have to use a brush. I get it. I don't drag the brush back over the crown. I only push the brush breech to muzzle. I'll unscrew the brush before pulling the rod back thru. We see a lot of damage to the edges of the muzzle crowns and part of it is because of dragging the brush back over the edge of the crown. The crown is the last thing the bullet touches when leaving the barrel. A damaged crown can effect accuracy."
There are many reasons to remove the brush and clean it, rather than drag debris and particles back in.
^^!recommend to not read these kinds of threads
Look at post 66 of this threadCould you please post a photo of the damage you describe to the edge of the crown? I’m not saying you haven’t seen it but I never have and would like to know what to look for.
Thanks.
Look at post 66 of this thread
Please try.
Harder vs softer means little, if anything. I've seen rubber wear a hole in steel hydraulic lines, when rubbing together over time. You're right in point but not in principle. Sorry.That photo is so blurry I can’t tell what I’m looking at. I have done the same test as Sam Hall with the same result. I feel that it is simply not possible to scratch stainless with a bronze brush and don’t tell me carbon on the bronze brush causes the damage. Carbon is even softer than the bronze brush. If it wasn’t, the bronze brush could not remove it.
I would bet that any damage seen to a crown was due to some sort of abrasive being used with the brush.
I’m open to be proven wrong though. Please try.
Dave.
Mmmmm. Harder means a lot. The fact that with lots of use, softer things can wear out harder things means only just that - a LOT of use.Harder vs softer means little, if anything. I've seen rubber wear a hole in steel hydraulic lines, when rubbing together over time. You're right in point but not in principle. Sorry.
You should try shooting a rubber barrel by that logic. Think about it.Harder vs softer means little, if anything. I've seen rubber wear a hole in steel hydraulic lines, when rubbing together over time. You're right in point but not in principle. Sorry.
Well..how many links to the center of a tootsie pop? I guess that depends. If your tongue is made of sandpaper...not very many. For example...aluminum oxide. Yall need to study on how abrasives work. I'm not arguing it further.Mmmmm. Harder means a lot. The fact that with lots of use, softer things can wear out harder things means only just that - a LOT of use.
I guess the question is: How many strokes with a brass brush does it take to see any noticeable wear at, say, 5X. [Not sure if that's the appropriate magnification.]
No body is talking about abrasives. The post was about bronze brush - period.Well..how many links to the center of a tootsie pop? I guess that depends. If your tongue is made of sandpaper...not very many. For example...aluminum oxide. Yall need to study on how abrasives work. I'm not arguing it further.
Nope. It's about how or if bronze brushes can damage a barrel. Period.No body is talking about abrasives. The post was about bronze brush - period.